Feminist logic strikes the Democratic National Committee

[zerozero]

meh this is a family issue not a female one. If a single FATHER has kids he has to work it out too. IF NO ONE get's it then it's fair.

both should get it though. They should cut some stuff out of the budget if necessary and support delegates with young kids (not right now if they can't but definitely by next time). How the hell are you going to have a convention for the future of a country when young parent delegates won't be supported in the event

 

[zerozero]

For unpriviledged folks, yes. For them, no. My tax payer money better not be wasted on some delegates daycare expenses.

taxpayer money?

 

[Un-AmericanDreamer]

taxpayer money?

You know what I mean, donation money.

 

[zerozero]

You know what I mean, donation money.

you donated to the DNC and are mad if delegates can arrange for young kids for a couple days? you're A-OK with all the other expenses though? every ad and campaign they run is fine but a family friendly convention is where you draw the line?

 

[Un-AmericanDreamer]

you donated to the DNC and are mad if delegates can arrange for young kids for a couple days? you're A-OK with all the other expenses though?

I just don't think it should come from the budget, that sort of thing should come out of pocket. They ain't hurting.

 

[Julius Skrrvin]

I dont think its that unreasonable

fukk letting a political party provide daycare for my kids though, theyd probably use prison labor or something

 

[Brown_Pride]

both should get it though. They should cut some stuff out of the budget if necessary and support delegates with young kids (not right now if they can't but definitely by next time). How the hell are you going to have a convention for the future of a country when young parent delegates won't be supported in the event

yeah see you're making it about young parents, the OP is about women. It's not a woman issue it's a family issue.

And in terms of discrimination it is NOT.

It IS a good idea to do for all FAMILIES though.

Semantics i know but words do have meaning ya dig?

 

[Un-AmericanDreamer]

I like how some people are saying it's a family issue when the article only talked about women with children. If they are granted these concessions, do you believe they're going to include young single fathers as well or is that just wishful thinking? I mean, that seems pretty glaring omition on their part.

 

[zerozero]

yeah see you're making it about young parents, the OP is about women. It's not a woman issue it's a family issue.

And in terms of discrimination it is NOT.

It IS a good idea to do for all FAMILIES though.

Semantics i know but words do have meaning ya dig?

so you're just being sensitive? women's groups aren't anti-male, the reason they champion daycare access is like I said working women have zero options whereas a lot of working men leave kids home with non-working wives

I like how some people are saying it's a family issue when the article only talked about women with children. If they are granted these concessions, do you believe they're going to include young fathers or is that just wishful thinking? I mean, that seems pretty glaring omition on their part.

okay this is getting irrational. what do you expect to happen..

DNC Delegate Daycare, Day 1, 7.30AM:

"Hi, my name is Andrew and I've brought my kid."

Daycare assistant: "Sorry, this is a mothers-only day care"

?

 

[Un-AmericanDreamer]

so you're just being sensitive? women's groups aren't anti-male, the reason they champion daycare access is like I said working women have zero options whereas a lot of working men leave kids home with non-working wives



okay this is getting irrational. what do you expect to happen..

DNC Delegate Daycare, Day 1, 7.30AM:

"Hi, my name is Andrew and I've brought my kid."

Daycare assistant: "Sorry, this is a mothers-only day care"

?

I fail to see how they don't have options, they can leave the kids with family, they can leave the kids with their childrens father, they can leave the kids with a neighbor. They can pay for a babysitter.

 

[The Real]

yeah see you're making it about young parents, the OP is about women. It's not a woman issue it's a family issue.

And in terms of discrimination it is NOT.

It IS a good idea to do for all FAMILIES though.

Semantics i know but words do have meaning ya dig?

Yeah, but women are the primary group affected by this policy, plus as I said in my earlier post, gender roles dictate that men shouldn't be speaking up about daycare issues, so they don't. That is primarily seen as the mother's responsibility. So while you're not wrong, ultimately, the target is still misguided patriarchal thinking. In fact, if men were the primary caregivers, I'm almost certain this issue would have been addressed before, if not at least discussed with more prominence.

In addition, the National Org for Women and Gloria Steinem are in no way anti-men, and both have worked at the very important and real intersection between women's issues, race issues, and class issues since the Civil Rights era. I sincerely doubt that they just want women to receive this kind of access. The other thing you have to remember is that news media often frames these in ways that highlights the separatist or exclusivist elements at the expense of the inclusivist, the same way they do with racial statements.

 

[Un-AmericanDreamer]

Which households are you people growing up in because when I was growing up, the roles were pretty much even with my father taking on much of the "womens" work. I don't see how you can say that there aren't dudes out here who are willing to be stay at home dad. Not anymore, the problem is that both parents are forced into the workforce without anyone looking after the kids. I don't think that's the result of institutionalized sexism though, I think that's the changing economic landscape.

 

[TLOL is back]

it's the reality of how work/life responsibilities are structured in american households. this is why daycare is a feminist issue

Do you have any evidence of this being the case for Democratic delegates? Otherwise, you're just making sexist stereotypes breh.

 

[The Real]

Which households are you people growing up in because when I was growing up, the roles were pretty much even with my father taking on much much of the "womens" work. I don't see how you can say that there aren't dudes out here who are willing to be stay at homes. Not anymore, the problem is that people are forced into the workforce.

Of course there are many single fathers who raise children, some are even prominent (Joe Biden,) but most of the people affected by this issue are still women.

 

[TLOL is back]

Absolutely. The reason it's framed as a feminist issue is because it mostly affects women and because men rarely step up to talk about daycare/babysitting issues (damaging elements of gender roles dictate that men shouldn't be doing that.)

Or because men are more likely to understand the concept of personal responsibility, instead of demanding everything be handed to them on a silver platter because of their genitals.