FD finally dropped the Drake vs Dot video :wow:

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The Coli predictably hates this nikka for being a nerd and actually knowing shyt instead of being a smart-dumb nikka but his videos are consistently on-point
LOST NIKKAS hate progressive nerds like FD Signifier,
bc his content confronts them with their shortcomings & bigotry.

Like the KOONosphere hating on Russell Wilson dialogue.


 
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Shifting the goal posts and missing the point in the process :mjlol:

But to answer your question, no. That makes us the same because we're both participants within the culture. Not hanger ones who get all their info second hand living through other people

What goal posts did I shift and what point did I miss? Explain it.

But what culture does that put us into? I'm asking you because I actually have learned a lot through docs, videos, books, etc. I'm 29 from the Midwest - if nikkas on here constantly debate about the birth of hip-hop, then.... You see what I'm saying?
 

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Idek what you're talking about. I'm talking about privilege. It being on the south side doesn't matter much when you can go to China at 10.

And I agree the argument is dumb, but if we're using it against Drake, it's fair to use it against ye.

Bro, I'm from Indianapolis. Still live here. So idek what you're saying
Rick Ross is in "the culture” :troll:
 

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Drake aint of the culture. He's a fan of the culture

There's a difference. Though folks like drake can pretend and adopt the aesthetic. People who really love and appreciate the culture can spot the holes

shyt like drake's reaction to control. That's not hip hop. You get in the booth and spit your piece. Not cry like a bytch on espn, elliot wilson, or Angie martinez interviews

Hip hop is hip hop. It's like me and the east coast posters on here. If you an outsider you'd probably think I hate new york and the east coast. But nikkas like @spliz know I just be shooting the shyt. It ain't gotta be explained to him cause we both in the same culture and understand the tradition of roasting each other

Versus a nikka like drake who would probably report me to the mods or some shyt :mjlol:
Kendrick callling people out and not responding to any of the responses isnt hip hop either but people gave kenny a pass for that. The Control verse was the epitome of trying to get a buzz. It was lame
 

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He literally got a song called mob ties but he wasn't trying to be a mafia guy:mjlol:

Reminds me of you saying you're literally not black then coming back years later saying you are :mjgrin:

"Oh, I was lying to protect my identity:duck:"
I guess you don’t listen to lyrics, either.

Again, as a black man, you haven’t defined what this “culture” is.

I know what you want to say and why you won’t say it.

I’m waiting.

Is J Cole in “the culture?”
 

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What goal posts did I shift and what point did I miss? Explain it.

But what culture does that put us into? I'm asking you because I actually have learned a lot through docs, videos, books, etc. I'm 29 from the Midwest - if nikkas on here constantly debate about the birth of hip-hop, then.... You see what I'm saying?
First you insulted my family and called them failed rappers to big up yourself. Whoever you are that is:comeon:

Accused me of using my experience to mean I think of myself as an expert. When that wasn't what I was saying

The conversation was about simply being in the culture vs not. Not about who is in but has more clout or expertise

I never said media was bad or you can't use it to learn. I was speaking towards people that solely rely on other people's experiences to inform their knowledge and opinions on rap.

The type you would see that watch traploreross videos and claim to know about the streets. But too scared to play ball when too many black people show up at the gym
 
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Listened a little more and yea, this isn't good. He glosses over IYRTITL in favor of TPAB but in real time that Drake album was not only really fukking good it was hugely successful. I think the battle has exposed two narratives people are pushing which aren't reality. The first is that Drake was always bad/made terrible music. The second is that Kendrick was always the ordained golden child. In reality Drake made some good music initially and those early Drake/Kendrick debates weren't just purists vs commercial people. A large portion of hip hop media was in Drake's corner circa 2013-2016, back when hip hop media actually mattered. Peter Rosenberg was arguably the only Kendrick dikk rider in NY media at the time. Elliot Wilson and B-dot were firmly on Drake's side and most of the DJs favored him. There was debate and differing opinion over TPAB. Meanwhile NWTS and IYRTITY were the closest people got to pure rap albums from Drake.

Go listen to Drake's subs around that time and it's clear he thought Kendrick was about to be outta here. I don't think anybody saw DAMN coming and that's what killed the narratives Kendrick had been dealing with from the media But if you're peddling the idea that Kendrick was always the golden goose then you ignore all this shyt. Likewise if you pretend Drake was always wack you ignore the nice run he had with those two albums. Which is where Pusha and Budden come in, to me. A year after DAMN we got the Pusha/Drake beef and the line about his music being angry and full of lies lately. That's around the time when the mafioso tough guy shyt started and the decline began. I don't mean commercially (yet) since Scorpion was a smash. But that wasn't a good album, just like Views wasn't a good album. And the more people talked about that, the angrier and more vindictive Drake got. The hubris and anger of that period is what led to that Adidon L. Not saying Drake could have avoided losing to Pusha, but he handled it the worst he could have possibly handled it because of his arrogance at the time. He was declining, creatively.

Do I think Kendrick is hip hop whereas Drake is a fraud? Hell Yea. But I'm not watching a 3 hour vid if someone can't set up a nice rise/fall arc while being fair to create some interest.

There was no debate or doubt surrounding TPAB that album was minted a classic the moment it dropped. If Your Reading This was acclaimed but not on the level of TPAB, nowhere close, then a few months later the ghostwriter drama hit and that was the first time people started turning on Drake to any noticeable degree.

But your insane if you infer that Drake or ANYBODY thought Kendrick was about to be “outta here” after TPAB dropped. Thats the album that cemented him as the “Artist” of his generation whilst Drake was regelated to “Pop Star”
 

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He was actually gonna be my main example tbh
the drake hate is hilarious considering he’s arguably the most authentic rap artist ever but…you know how “the streets” are gonna be elevated.

Same way you got black women and mlc e lawyers and doctors and professionals dancing to gangsta rap at weekend brunches and parties but then claiming they dont want violence or degenerate influences in their communities.

“the culture” has defended a LOT of wild shyt to the point it just becomes a random weird goal-posting moving effort to gatekeep shyt.

People can’t say this: “I think he’s corny and therefore can’t be around us”…but yall can’t say this literally.

So why not?
 

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First you insulted my family and called them failed rappers to big up yourself. Whoever you are that is:comeon:

Accused me of using my experience to mean I think of myself as an expert. When that wasn't what I was saying

The conversation was about simply being in the culture vs not. Not about who is in but has more clout or expertise

I never said media was bad or you can't use it to learn. I was speaking towards people that solely rely on other people's experiences to inform their knowledge and opinions on rap.

The type you would see that watch traploreross videos and claim to know about the streets. But too scared to play ball when too many black people show up at the gym
OK, what about drake isn’t in the culture?

I don’t get why this is so hard for you?
 

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bruh 2 minutes into the video this nikka is talking about "Drake is faking it because he never got childhood acceptance when he was young" :mjlol:this nikka is a pseudo-intellectual. He can't even talk about rap music without sounding pretentiously stupid.
Exactly nikka is a psuedo intellectual that just likes to hear himself talk.
 
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