FD finally dropped the Drake vs Dot video :wow:

[Jigganaut]

nikkas be too deep for no reason.

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

FD anti-capitalist babble

 

[FunkDoc1112]

The Coli predictably hates this nikka for being a nerd and actually knowing shyt instead of being a smart-dumb nikka but his videos are consistently on-point

 

[jilla82]

anyone thats been playing Drake's music the whole time and now all of a sudden dislike him is lame as hell

ive been hating on that man since the beginning...
dont jump on the bandwagon now goofy's

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

nikkas be too deep for no reason.

Dude needs a better writer or editor or something. Just speaking in circles and overly verbose and bloviating. Self referential and self important when failing to actually make their point.

Basically, this is just an anti-capitalist rant about commercialism and his desire to make everything hip hop about poverty, struggle, and lack of resources to legitimize it as authentic. Dudes just can’t like drake. They have to paint Drake as some subversive element as a front of some conspiracy to take society down.

They might as well get antisemitic and call him a jewish interloper or something and get it over with. Kendrick was trending there anyways.

 

[Piff Perkins]

Listened a little more and yea, this isn't good. He glosses over IYRTITL in favor of TPAB but in real time that Drake album was not only really fukking good it was hugely successful. I think the battle has exposed two narratives people are pushing which aren't reality. The first is that Drake was always bad/made terrible music. The second is that Kendrick was always the ordained golden child. In reality Drake made some good music initially and those early Drake/Kendrick debates weren't just purists vs commercial people. A large portion of hip hop media was in Drake's corner circa 2013-2016, back when hip hop media actually mattered. Peter Rosenberg was arguably the only Kendrick dikk rider in NY media at the time. Elliot Wilson and B-dot were firmly on Drake's side and most of the DJs favored him. There was debate and differing opinion over TPAB. Meanwhile NWTS and IYRTITY were the closest people got to pure rap albums from Drake.

Go listen to Drake's subs around that time and it's clear he thought Kendrick was about to be outta here. I don't think anybody saw DAMN coming and that's what killed the narratives Kendrick had been dealing with from the media But if you're peddling the idea that Kendrick was always the golden goose then you ignore all this shyt. Likewise if you pretend Drake was always wack you ignore the nice run he had with those two albums. Which is where Pusha and Budden come in, to me. A year after DAMN we got the Pusha/Drake beef and the line about his music being angry and full of lies lately. That's around the time when the mafioso tough guy shyt started and the decline began. I don't mean commercially (yet) since Scorpion was a smash. But that wasn't a good album, just like Views wasn't a good album. And the more people talked about that, the angrier and more vindictive Drake got. The hubris and anger of that period is what led to that Adidon L. Not saying Drake could have avoided losing to Pusha, but he handled it the worst he could have possibly handled it because of his arrogance at the time. He was declining, creatively.

Do I think Kendrick is hip hop whereas Drake is a fraud? Hell Yea. But I'm not watching a 3 hour vid if someone can't set up a nice rise/fall arc while being fair to create some interest.

 

[FunkDoc1112]

This nikka said Kanye's childhood background was more suburban and less street than Drake's. Living in...Chicago in the 90s.


I hate this dude. I'm out.

Kanye's moms was a college professor and he spent a good chunk of his childhood in China

Ain't like Chicago is all grimy, like any city its got the nice parts and the shytty parts.

 

[Westbama Heartthrob]

I'm 100000% calling cap if we're talking about rappers. Literal fake ass entertainers telling fairy tales.

nikkas are literally watching YouTube videos and then mimicking shyt without ever actually going through it. People have made whole careers off telling stories about shyt they just saw outside their windows or heard stories about.

That might be some people's experience but it aint mine

I was born in this shyt. Multiple rappers in my family. I aint need a YouTube nikka to explain how rap started or the rules to the culture

Still entertaining to get another person's perspective

 

[jilla82]

Granted bro did go to school in China around the 90s and his mom was literally a college chair of an entire department in Chicago.

One was a childhood actor whose mom took him to some rich neighborhood where they lived in the basement while he supported with his Degrassi checks.

I mean, imo, we're arguing different levels of privilege. Ye was set regardless because of his mom, Drake seemingly got lucky with Degrassi.

We don't know these nikkas but going off what is publicly available - I genuinely don't think it's hard to see who may have been a little more privileged

Chicago State (the college his mom worked at) is not some major university

its actually in the hood (kind of)

The area Kanye grew up in is not some nice suburban area...
I know those areas very well.

Everybody in the hood aint some super thug

this whole privilege argument is dumb as hell anyway...
having a parent that cares about you is prilvege now?

all black people gotta grow up with a crack head parent while selling drugs to pay the rent to be considered of the culture?

Questioning Kanye's upbringing says more about the person repeating that nonsense than Kanye

 

[Rembrandt]

That might be some people's experience but it aint mine

I was born in this shyt. Multiple rappers in my family. I aint need a YouTube nikka to explain how rap started or the rules to the culture

Still entertaining to get another person's perspective

Having multiple failed rappers in your family doesn't make you an expert of whatever culture you're talking about.

I actually rap. Have collabs with rappers. From famous nikkas in Chicago to my nikka signed to roc Nation in NY to UK to Lagos etc. So do I now have more culturally cache than you?

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

Listened a little more and yea, this isn't good. He glosses over IYRTITL in favor of TPAB but in real time that Drake album was not only really fukking good it was hugely successful. I think the battle has exposed two narratives people are pushing which aren't reality. The first is that Drake was always bad/made terrible music. The second is that Kendrick was always the ordained golden child. In reality Drake made some good music initially and those early Drake/Kendrick debates weren't just purists vs commercial people. A large portion of hip hop media was in Drake's corner circa 2013-2016, back when hip hop media actually mattered. Peter Rosenberg was arguably the only Kendrick dikk rider in NY media at the time. Elliot Wilson and B-dot were firmly on Drake's side and most of the DJs favored him. There was debate and differing opinion over TPAB. Meanwhile NWTS and IYRTITY were the closest people got to pure rap albums from Drake.

Go listen to Drake's subs around that time and it's clear he thought Kendrick was about to be outta here. I don't think anybody saw DAMN coming and that's what killed the narratives Kendrick had been dealing with from the media But if you're peddling the idea that Kendrick was always the golden goose then you ignore all this shyt. Likewise if you pretend Drake was always wack you ignore the nice run he had with those two albums. Which is where Pusha and Budden come in, to me. A year after DAMN we got the Pusha/Drake beef and the line about his music being angry and full of lies lately. That's around the time when the mafioso tough guy shyt started and the decline began. I don't mean commercially (yet) since Scorpion was a smash. But that wasn't a good album, just like Views wasn't a good album. And the more people talked about that, the angrier and more vindictive Drake got. The hubris and anger of that period is what led to that Adidon L. Not saying Drake could have avoided losing to Pusha, but he handled it the worst he could have possibly handled it because of his arrogance at the time. He was declining, creatively.

Drake wasn’t trying to be some “mafia” guy. People love reading into that because a guy gets aggressive and shows how angry he is.

Drake was angry and is pissed…and drake is the only guy who can’t defend himself.

But yes…Kendrick was always the industry favorite. Kendrick was given industry room to make non-commercial music so that they could have their “art lane” to throw awards at. Drake had to actually perform and deliver. And yall dont respect how hard that is.

Do I think Kendrick is hip hop whereas Drake is a fraud? Hell Yea. But I'm not watching a 3 hour vid if someone can't set up a nice rise/fall arc while being fair to create some interest.

What’s fraudulent about Drake?

 

[Jaguar93]

Bruhs heated I like it

 

[Westbama Heartthrob]

Having multiple failed rappers in your family doesn't make you an expert of whatever culture you're talking about.

I actually rap. Have collabs with rappers. From famous nikkas in Chicago to my nikka signed to roc Nation in NY to UK to Lagos etc. So do I now have more culturally cache than you?

Shifting the goal posts and missing the point in the process

But to answer your question, no. That makes us the same because we're both participants within the culture. Not hanger on's who get all their info second hand living through other people

 

[Rembrandt]

Chicago State (the college his mom worked at) is not some major university

its actually in the hood (kind of)

The area Kanye grew up in is not some nice suburban area...
I know those areas very well.

Everybody in the hood aint some super thug

this whole privilege argument is dumb as hell anyway...
having a parent that cares about you is prilvege now?

all black people gotta grow up with a crack head parent while selling drugs to pay the rent to be considered of the culture?

Questioning Kanye's upbringing says more about the person repeating that nonsense than Kanye

Idek what you're talking about. I'm talking about privilege. It being on the south side doesn't matter much when you can go to China at 10.

And I agree the argument is dumb, but if we're using it against Drake, it's fair to use it against ye.

Bro, I'm from Indianapolis. Still live here. So idek what you're saying

 

[Westbama Heartthrob]

Drake wasn’t trying to be some “mafia” guy. People love reading into that because a guy gets aggressive and shows how angry he is.

Drake was angry and is pissed…and drake is the only guy who can’t defend himself.

But yes…Kendrick was always the industry favorite. Kendrick was given industry room to make non-commercial music so that they could have their “art lane” to throw awards at. Drake had to actually perform and deliver. And yall dont respect how hard that is.



What’s fraudulent about Drake?

He literally got a song called mob ties but he wasn't trying to be a mafia guy

Reminds me of you saying you're literally not black then coming back years later saying you are

"Oh, I was lying to protect my identity"