Farrakhan Was Right About Black Organizations

[get these nets]

again i have to disagree here. i haven't studied extensively into the role different tribes had in capturing and selling us to the europeans, but i have done some reading. i'm generally aware of the political situation of that time and the pressure some tribes were under. ironically, i was in half price books just yesterday thumbing thru a book on slavery. it was a compilation of writings, from white ship captains to african kings/chiefs and even the enslaved. I don't remember the name of the book but it included an excerpt from Olaudah Equiano, a captured slave, and John Newton who was a captain. It also included a couple of excerpts from kings of tribes who participated and colluded with the white man.

so "ya'll sold us" is rooted in reality, though i will grant that it's an extreme case of simplifying a complex situation.when caesar conquered gaul the allobroges were one of the prominent tribes at that time and they allied with the romans for most of that war, which eventually saw a million of them displaced, another million killed, and a third million sold into chattel slavery. rome then controlled gaul for the next 400 years en route to conquering the known world, so the selling out isn't something exclusive to Blacks, and to tell the truth it's not an area where I'd spend alotta time. most every if not every race of people has been enslaved at some point in their history, but no people can be completely overrun and conquered without some sellout segment of that people helping the enemy. the point i would stress when it comes to slavery is that chattel slavery was a white invention and has always been the white man's way, whether he was enslaving his fellow greeks, romans, gauls, or africans. i would stress that unchangeable aspect of his nature.

but as far as our people go, i'd like to go back further than that. you see, i believe we need to analyze what happened in northern africa in antiquity and study the different factors that led to us losing Egypt and eventually northern africa. what were our internal weaknesses - see what i'm saying? because we're always going to have to deal with outside forces, but our internal weaknesses are what gave the arabs and white folks the opening they needed. and gaining that critical foothold in northern africa basically gave the arabs and europeans an open road to the rest of the continent.

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digging through what's left of my library

 

[Everythingg]

did i not ask for example of where it did or did not work? please pick any era.

And I asked you a question as well. What kind of question is it to ask when black people have acheived anything on their own? All the "black" civilizations throughout history and its your assertion that they have NEVER achieved anything without the help of outsiders?

 

[jackson35]

And I asked you a question as well. What kind of question is it to ask when black people have acheived anything on their own? All the "black" civilizations throughout history and its your assertion that they have NEVER achieved anything without the help of outsiders?

no, no, no, the minister is criticizing black organazation for not stepping up their efforts to liberate our community from oppression when his nation has not step up in helping non muslims.

 

[Everythingg]

no, no, no, the minister is criticizing black organazation for not stepping up their efforts to liberate our community from oppression when his nation has not step up in helping non muslims.

You keep switching it up. First it wasn’t about the minister now it is. Which is it? Then you say or insinuate that black people have never achieved anything on their own?


You’re looking funny in the light breh.

And the NOI was in black communities helping in the way they wanted to. That’s their prerogative. You’re just fishing for a reason to talk down. If you wanted a reason take up their religion as that reason

 

[jackson35]

You keep switching it up. First it wasn’t about the minister now it is. Which is it? Then you say or insinuate that black people have never achieved anything on their own?you have to define something specific when you say black folks acheive on their own. i agree with you on your response to the noi, they help in the way that they could. as a result, this does not give the minister OR ANYONE ON HIS LEVEL CAUSE TO ATTACK OTHER BLACK ENTITYS THAT PUT IN A VESTED FIGHT INTO OUR STRUGGLE.


You’re looking funny in the light breh.

And the NOI was in black communities helping in the way they wanted to. That’s their prerogative. You’re just fishing for a reason to talk down. If you wanted a reason take up their religion as that reason

 

[Everythingg]

you have to define something specific when you say black folks acheive on their own. i agree with you on your response to the noi, they help in the way that they could. as a result, this does not give the minister OR ANYONE ON HIS LEVEL CAUSE TO ATTACK OTHER BLACK ENTITYS THAT PUT IN A VESTED FIGHT INTO OUR STRUGGLE.

Why would I have to explain that there were great self sufficient black civilizations who built their own civilizations themselves to a black person?

Im not down with Islam or the NOI in general as I believe they were backed by cacs as well. With that said, the only people they "attacked" was you globalists that whine about the white man then turn around and try to hold hands and unite with them. Their position was to separate and they disagreed with thoe who told black people to not defend themselves and to continuously turn the other cheek. If you can correct me and show me them attacking a group for practicing group economics or helping the less privileged then I'll give it to you. But Im sure you'll only find them going against those who had the positions I mentioned...

 

[CoryMack]

no, no, no, the minister is criticizing black organazation for not stepping up their efforts to liberate our community from oppression when his nation has not step up in helping non muslims.

The NOI used to be legendary for cleaning up bad areas. They used to go into projects and clear out the drug dealers and all the other lawbreakers. Some of the worst areas too. That was for along the residents of these areas, not just the Muslims. They were getting govt contracts to do it until the jews started complaining.

 

[CoryMack]

Why would I have to explain that there were great self sufficient black civilizations who built their own civilizations themselves to a black person?

Brother you should’ve cut the convo short when he asked you this the first time. Any Black man that godamn ignorant of his own history isn’t work the conversation. Probably has a white wife, if he isn’t white himself.

 

[get these nets]

Black history in school starts at slavery. Movie after movie is made about slavery. Where are the teachings or movies about what we were doing before slavery?

And Kanye was talking about mental slavery but most of y’all don’t care about context. If anyone wants to move past slavery y’all get mad yet white people never talk about them being slaves (Slavs). We have to be constantly reminded about slavery while they get to pretend it never happened with them.. They’re trying to program blacks people with a slave mentality. And there’s no ignorance in saying there was black people in America before slavery or that there were black moors. Those are just facts

what he said is in the clip and cued up


This is the no juelzing section of the Coli. Yes...."Most don't care about context" is why he WALKED back and apologized for those comments. I take it that you feel the people who were offended just didn't understand what he meant, correct?
No sir, he is a clown.

The "Moor" line that people were running around claiming a few years back, was yet another way to mask the low self esteem they feel for descending from people who were enslaved. We've picked that apart many times on other section of the board.
I'd like to see these "just facts" you're talking about. ..and tell me what ANY of that has to do with the African people that WE directly descend from.

 

[get these nets]

Black history in school starts at slavery. Movie after movie is made about slavery. Where are the teachings or movies about what we were doing before slavery?

And Kanye was talking about mental slavery but most of y’all don’t care about context. If anyone wants to move past slavery y’all get mad yet white people never talk about them being slaves (Slavs). We have to be constantly reminded about slavery while they get to pretend it never happened with them.. They’re trying to program blacks people with a slave mentality. And there’s no ignorance in saying there was black people in America before slavery or that there were black moors. Those are just facts

what he said is in the clip and cued up


This is the no juelzing section of the Coli. Yes...."Most don't care about context" is why he WALKED back and apologized for those comments. I take it that you feel the people who were offended just didn't understand what he meant, correct?
No sir, he is a clown.

The "Moor" line that people were running around claiming a few years back, was yet another way to mask the low self esteem they feel for descending from people who were enslaved. We've picked that apart many times on other section of the board.
I'd like to see these "just facts" you're talking about. ..and tell me what ANY of that has to do with the African people that WE directly descend from.

 

[jackson35]

The NOI used to be legendary for cleaning up bad areas. They used to go into projects and clear out the drug dealers and all the other lawbreakers. Some of the worst areas too. That was for along the residents of these areas, not just the Muslims. They were getting govt contracts to do it until the jews started complaining.

no, the bloodsucking brothers on the block were complaining because they were losing money. the jew don't give a damn foi security team.

 

[CoryMack]

no, the bloodsucking brothers on the block were complaining because they were losing money. the jew don't give a damn foi security team.

Instead of hitting google to read up on what was in the mainstream press, you just keep on running your bigass mouth knowing nothing about what you’re talking about. You should learn to shut the fukk up, or either go sit and gossip with the women.

 

[jackson35]

Why would I have to explain that there were great self sufficient black civilizations who built their own civilizations themselves to a black person?

Im not down with Islam or the NOI in general as I believe they were backed by cacs as well. With that said, the only people they "attacked" was you globalists that whine about the white man then turn around and try to hold hands and unite with them. Their position was to separate and they disagreed with thoe who told black people to not defend themselves and to continuously turn the other cheek. If you can correct me and show me them attacking a group for practicing group economics or helping the less privileged then I'll give it to you. But Im sure you'll only find them going against those who had the positions I mentioned...

the minister is being sloppy with his analysis on civil right groups. the urban league rented them all the buildings that they have those business and their mosque. the naacp fought for their right to practice islam and not get persecuted for it.

 

[jackson35]

Instead of hitting google to read up on what was in the mainstream press, you just keep on running your bigass mouth knowing nothing about what you’re talking about. You should learn to shut the fukk up, or either go sit and gossip with the women.

how are you going to tell me i'm gossiping when one of those incident happen in my city, i know what went down, you are getting second hand info. stay mad

 

[Everythingg]

what he said is in the clip and cued up


This is the no juelzing section of the Coli. Yes...."Most don't care about context" is why he WALKED back and apologized for those comments. I take it that you feel the people who were offended just didn't understand what he meant, correct?
No sir, he is a clown.

He, like most entertainers, is a clown. But thats irrelevant to what he said. He literally said "we are mentally imprisoned" after saying slavery for 400 years sounds like a choice.He then said that slavery is directly tied to black people just like the holocaust is to Jews. I.e. even though cacs were slaves too, everyone has been conditioned to tie the word "slave" with black people. Its a mental slavery that he was referring to not the 1600's narrative of slavery. Take this thread for example. People are still calling for slavery education centers, yet no nothing about what they were doing before slavery. They want to constantly remind us that we were slaves while at the same time not mentioning that they were slaves in Europe...

And he walked it back because he couldnt handle the pressure of most of you social justice warriors

The "Moor" line that people were running around claiming a few years back, was yet another way to mask the low self esteem they feel for descending from people who were enslaved. We've picked that apart many times on other section of the board.
I'd like to see these "just facts" you're talking about. ..and tell me what ANY of that has to do with the African people that WE directly descend from.

Again, its facts that there were black moors and black people here in America before cacs came. Your armchair psychologist reasoning as to why people believe this is irrelevant because, unlike you say, nobody has picked it apart aside from saying stuff like "just because they look black doesnt mean they were" and "cacs called them negro because they called everyone darker than them that" which is more excuse making than picking apart..

There being black moors and black indigenous Americans means that not all black people here in America descend from Africans. There are black indigenous people in every land, and they dont need to all be referred to as "African" so they can lose the rights to the land they live on...