Elon Musk wants a free speech utopia. Technologists clap back.

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Is society more civil when people want to say things but don't because they fear the consequences of saying those things?
If your shyt is so abhorrent to society that you fear social ostracism, maybe you should keep that shyt to yourself. If you want to say it anyway, be prepared to weather the storm. You reap what you sow.
I remember when I hardly knew anything about him and he was just like the real life Tony Stark

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He even had a cameo in Iron Man 2 :snoop:
 

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unmoderated =/= uncensored.
MODERATE GOOD. CENSORSHIP BAD.
Free Speech =/= hate speech.

Twitter is a haven for millions of progressive people that have built followers, confidence, and verbal acumen for almost 10 years now. When opposing ideas come back...um...like use your freespeech and acumen to have discourse?
 

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unmoderated =/= uncensored.
MODERATE GOOD. CENSORSHIP BAD.
Free Speech =/= hate speech.

Twitter is a haven for millions of progressive people that have built followers, confidence, and verbal acumen for almost 10 years now. When opposing ideas come back...um...like use your freespeech and acumen to have discourse?

opposing ideas..:mjpls:

people are not getting banned for being anti-socialist, pro-police, anti-union, pro big business, pro-religion, etc..

what opposing ideas or discourse are people getting banned for that you think shouldn't?
 

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Nope you can’t have unregulated internet. It just devolves into nasty racism.

remember that AI they built to learn the internet ended up just being a super racist and they had to shut it down.

also the article wasn’t written that well, I have no clue who wrote it.
 

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Yes because blacks being inferior are just “ideas” folks :mjlol:.
When did black folks adapt all this alt right wording. I don’t believe minorities should have defend their humanity in order to participate in the internet

It's because they hate the gays and see the whites being silenced with the racism as them being next for their bigotry. You can hardly spell these things out logically to these people so I don't care to do so anymore. I can not believe we are stifling legitimate progression on the basis of stopping the gay agenda but religion and conservatism will do that to you, I'm starting to believe there really is merit in the idea of smarter people promoting the culture war in hopes that the average person ignores the class war as I hardly see poor people groveling to save the rich outside of the idea that they might somehow become rich but people will abstain on voting for a candidate if they mention anything nearing a gay agenda even if that's such a meaningless part of the entire platform. Remember all the people defending Desantis on that "don't say gay" because they hated the gay part not realizing Desantis was setting the stage for the culling of public schools on the basis of nonsense. Americans are doomed in my opinion, this upcoming midterm and the presidential election just might seal it for me. I no longer want to be subjected to the wills of these people and I'm not dumb enough to simply ignore it.
 
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It's because they hate the gays and see the whites being silenced with the racism as them being next for their bigotry. You can hardly spell these things out logically to these people so I don't care to do so anymore. I can not believe we are stifling legitimate progression on the basis of stopping the gay agenda but religion and conservatism will do that to you, I'm starting to believe there really is merit in the idea of smarter people promoting the culture war in hopes that the average person ignores the class war as I hardly see poor people groveling to save the rich outside of the idea that they might somehow become rich but people will abstain on voting for a candidate if they mention anything nearing a gay agenda even if that's such a meaningless part of the entire platform. Remember all the people defending Desantis on that "don't say gay" because they hated the gay part not realizing Desantis was setting the stage for the culling of public schools on the basis of nonsense. Americans are doomed in my opinion, this upcoming midterm and the presidential election just might seal it for me. I no longer want to be subjected to the wills of these people and I'm not dumb enough to simply ignore it.
I spent the entire thread trying to explain to them what Desantis is trying to do but these mother fukkers cannot get gay men off their mind. Dudes go to bed and wake up thinking about that shyt. Will even promote ideas to their detriment because of it. :mjlol:
 

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I spent the entire thread trying to explain to them what Desantis is trying to do but these mother fukkers cannot get gay men off their mind. Dudes go to bed and wake up thinking about that shyt. Will even promote ideas to their detriment because of it. :mjlol:

thats how agents derail or even lead discourse on this site, using wedge issues that'll convince folks to cut off their nose to spite their face.
 

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thats how agents derail or even lead discourse on this site, using wedge issues that'll convince folks to cut off their nose to spite their face.
Buddy, you quoted me with twitters TOS when I asked what are the standards :mjlol:


Yes twitters TOS that they update whenever they want. That’s the standard to who should or shouldn’t be allowed on there. Who is deciding and benefitting from the TOS is the real question not what is in it exactly. What a total deflection and red herring.
 

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Who is deciding and benefitting from the TOS is the real question not what is in it exactly.
Twitter and its investors is the obvious answer.

A moderated site is easier to monetize and get sponsors for. You wonder why sites like Gab, *****, and Parler didn't get off the ground or have nothing but scams and porn ads on their site? No one with anything to lose wants to be associated with fascists.
 

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Buddy, you quoted me with twitters TOS when I asked what are the standards :mjlol:


Yes twitters TOS that they update whenever they want. That’s the standard to who should or shouldn’t be allowed on there. Who is deciding and benefitting from the TOS is the real question not what is in it exactly. What a total deflection and red herring.
Regarding one of your previous posts in relation to this comment, I think a lot of offenses just go without reporting. So material that is grounds for breaking TOS should be reported but typically isn't as the user drawing attention to it simply posts to complain about it and doesn't call for reporting of the posts. More people should engage in reporting content that violates the TOS. Regarding your sentiment in this post, the people that run the site will decide the terms of service, with sites like twitter and youtube, it's typically inline with what maintains ad revenue, so blocking content that might interfere with that is of the utmost importance and of course that also entails securing the most prominent portion of the user base. That's my response at face value but correct me if I'm wrong, are you instead suggesting twitter in this time period is more integrated into the lives of people and thus should be treated as a serious form of speech outside of just a private platform with rules dictated by the owners? Because that's another argument that I could address but I'm not sure if that is what you intended to get at or not.
 

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Buddy, you quoted me with twitters TOS when I asked what are the standards :mjlol:


Yes twitters TOS that they update whenever they want. That’s the standard to who should or shouldn’t be allowed on there. Who is deciding and benefitting from the TOS is the real question not what is in it exactly. What a total deflection and red herring.

your concerns has been officially addressed.
Twitter's enforcement philosophy & approach to policy development
Twitter is reflective of real conversations happening in the world and that sometimes includes perspectives that may be offensive, controversial, and/or bigoted to others. While we welcome everyone to express themselves on our service, we will not tolerate behavior that harasses, threatens, or uses fear to silence the voices of others.

We have the Twitter Rules in place to help ensure everyone feels safe expressing their beliefs and we strive to enforce them with uniform consistency. Learn more about different enforcement actions.

Our policy development process

Creating a new policy or making a policy change requires in-depth research around trends in online behavior, developing clear external language that sets expectations around what’s allowed, and creating enforcement guidance for reviewers that can be scaled across millions of Tweets.

While drafting policy language, we gather feedback from a variety of internal teams as well as our Trust & Safety Council. This is vital to ensure we are considering global perspectives around the changing nature of online speech, including how our rules are applied and interpreted in different cultural and social contexts. Finally, we train our global review teams, update the Twitter Rules, and start enforcing the new policy.

Our enforcement philosophy

We empower people to understand different sides of an issue and encourage dissenting opinions and viewpoints to be discussed openly. This approach allows many forms of speech to exist on our platform and, in particular, promotes counterspeech: speech that presents facts to correct misstatements or misperceptions, points out hypocrisy or contradictions, warns of offline or online consequences, denounces hateful or dangerous speech, or helps change minds and disarm.

Thus, context matters. When determining whether to take enforcement action, we may consider a number of factors, including (but not limited to) whether:

  • the behavior is directed at an individual, group, or protected category of people;
  • the report has been filed by the target of the abuse or a bystander;
  • the user has a history of violating our policies;
  • the severity of the violation;
  • the content may be a topic of legitimate public interest.

Is the behavior directed at an individual or group of people?

To strike a balance between allowing different opinions to be expressed on the platform, and protecting our users, we enforce policies when someone reports abusive behavior that targets a specific person or group of people. This targeting can happen in a number of ways (for example, @mentions, tagging a photo, mentioning them by name, and more).


Has the report been filed by the target of the potential abuse or a bystander?

Some Tweets may seem to be abusive when viewed in isolation, but may not be when viewed in the context of a larger conversation or historical relationship between people on the platform. For example, friendly banter between friends could appear offensive to bystanders, and certain remarks that are acceptable in one culture or country may not be acceptable in another. To help prevent our teams from making a mistake and removing consensual interactions, in certain scenarios we require a report from the actual target (or their authorized representative) prior to taking any enforcement action.


Does the user have a history of violating our policies?

We start from a position of assuming that people do not intend to violate our Rules. Unless a violation is so egregious that we must immediately suspend an account, we first try to educate people about our Rules and give them a chance to correct their behavior. We show the violator the offending Tweet(s), explain which Rule was broken, and require them to remove the content before they can Tweet again. If someone repeatedly violates our Rules then our enforcement actions become stronger. This includes requiring violators to remove the Tweet(s) and taking additional actions like verifying account ownership and/or temporarily limiting their ability to Tweet for a set period of time. If someone continues to violate Rules beyond that point then their account may be permanently suspended.


What is the severity of the violation?

Certain types of behavior may pose serious safety and security risks and/or result in physical, emotional, and financial hardship for the people involved. These egregious violations of the Twitter Rules — such as posting violent threats, non-consensual intimate media, or content that sexually exploits children — result in the immediate and permanent suspension of an account. Other violations could lead to a range of different steps, like requiring someone to remove the offending Tweet(s) and/or temporarily limiting their ability to post new Tweet(s).


Is the behavior newsworthy and in the legitimate public interest?

Twitter moves at the speed of public consciousness and people come to the service to stay informed about what matters. Exposure to different viewpoints can help people learn from one another, become more tolerant, and make decisions about the type of society we want to live in.

To help ensure people have an opportunity to see every side of an issue, there may be the rare occasion when we allow controversial content or behavior which may otherwise violate our Rules to remain on our service because we believe there is a legitimate public interest in its availability. Each situation is evaluated on a case by case basis and ultimately decided upon by a cross-functional team.

Some of the factors that help inform our decision-making about content are the impact it may have on the public, the source of the content, and the availability of alternative coverage of an event.

Public impact of the content: A topic of legitimate public interest is different from a topic in which the public may be curious. We will consider what the impact is to citizens if they do not know about this content. If the Tweet does have the potential to impact the lives of large numbers of people, the running of a country, and/or it speaks to an important societal issue then we may allow the the content to remain on the service. Likewise, if the impact on the public is minimal we will most likely remove content in violation of our policies.

Source of the content: Some people, groups, organizations and the content they post on Twitter may be considered a topic of legitimate public interest by virtue of their being in the public consciousness. This does not mean that their Tweets will always remain on the service. Rather, we will consider if there is a legitimate public interest for a particular Tweet to remain up so it can be openly discussed.

Availability of coverage: Everyday people play a crucial role in providing firsthand accounts of what’s happening in the world, counterpoints to establishment views, and, in some cases, exposing the abuse of power by someone in a position of authority. As a situation unfolds, removing access to certain information could inadvertently hide context and/or prevent people from seeing every side of the issue. Thus, before actioning a potentially violating Tweet, we will take into account the role it plays in showing the larger story and whether that content can be found elsewhere.

snippet from the article I posted on the first page.
In late 2017, Twitter began building tools and hiring content moderators to weed out disinformation, fake accounts, spam, and other forms of what the company called “inauthentic behavior.” That effort got even bigger in 2018, when the company launched an initiative geared toward “Healthy Conversations,” and solicited opinions from more than 200 outside experts for how to keep the service free of harassment and bullying. (Before this, user complaints about harassment and bullying were widely ignored by the company, according to numerous reports at the time.)
 

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I spent the entire thread trying to explain to them what Desantis is trying to do but these mother fukkers cannot get gay men off their mind. Dudes go to bed and wake up thinking about that shyt. Will even promote ideas to their detriment because of it. :mjlol:


Facts. :dead:

shyt is crazy to me how some dudes cannot shake that shyt. Absolutely obsessed. shyt is weird. I don't even think they are necessarily closeted or anything. I think nikkas is just weirdos.
 
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