Elon mask spazzes out at the Government. “These stay at home measures are fascist”

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Of course their half empty because newsoms plan is working

This is like Y2K, people thought it was "overrated" because nothing major blew up. Well, that's because the entire industry took preparing for it seriously. Computer systems most definitely would have crashed if people just went about Y2K the same way cacs want to with COVID.

I'm in KC and people are starting to behave "normal." Yet, I noticed I'm hearing and seeing more sirens than normal. I'm hoping warm weather gets here soon enough to tamp down the threat, but we've had a pretty chilly Spring so far.
 

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You say this like somebody just gave them billions of dollars. Tesla came through with electric cars with the performance of sports cars. Bezos made shopping from the comfort of your own home a reality. Gates simplified computers to the point where they were accessible to everyone (a lot of people are too old to remember when you had to type in a specific command prompt for every action you needed a computer to do).

Money and resources will always flow from consumers to producers. Its inevitable.

Even if you abolished money and assigned resources to every person on earth, first you would have women trading sex and attention for extra resources. Dudes would be like "I only really need to eat once a day, you can have my meat and bread queen". You'd have people with marketable skills trading their labor for extra resources.


then some enterprising individual would come through and find a way or invent something to get those people to trade their resources.

Wealth inequality is inevitable.

That's why the whole "eat the rich" thing is stupid.

As if there's some magical line where a person should willingly give up providing a service people are willing to pay for.

You'd just keep killing every innovative, productive, or resourceful person that pops up until you disincentive innovation, production, and resourcefulness then your society free falls into starvation and despair.

Why do you think starvation is such a reliable feature of socialist governments?



Fam with all due respect you are wrong wrong wrong ...... For example the reason why Amazon is so big and is shutting down all the malls in America is that they dont pay any tax

Please explain to me how America has benefited by losing enormous amounts of tax revenue , has lost thousands of stores and jobs , and has allowed this company with all its money to get away with having their workers endure terrible conditions

Please tell me how one company having a near monopoly in the retail sector is good for consumers

The problem is your approach , You seem to think innovation means progress

For example within 10 years most delivery trucks will be self driving , even call centres wont be manned by real people , companies will fool a lot of people with your view of capitalism by saying , this will make production more efficient , cheaper etc....

and suckers , eat that bullshyt up , companies do this because it saves them money because they have less workers , and please dont tell me you believe the savings will be passed to the consumer because it wont

But let me tell you where America is really going to be fukked , Robots do not fukking pay taxes , you have an aging population and very soon you will not have enough working people paying taxes to support the economy

Robots dont buy Iphones , see what happens when you dont have enough people working to buy all the useless shyt to support the economy

And please dont you dare tell me that the creation of new industries will create jobs... it aint happening

The fact that you can write such a thoughtful post and at the same time promote the absolute lie that welth creation is good for America is beyond me

Whats good for Amazon is good for Amazon not what is good for America

You promote capitalism but fail to mention the one fundamental rule for any corporation , their first and top priority is to make money for their shareholders , regardless as to whether this is a hindrance to the American economy , hence them not paying tax ....Any CEO that tells you he is putting the interests of America first deserves to be taken outside and shot

This is what happens when people look at the economy from a political perspective , they never look past 10 years , fukk what these policies are going to do down the line , as long as were posting good figures while im in office its all; good

Biggest con since Ronald Reagan got people to believe trickledown economics works
 

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I personally think we should shut down in May as well. But thats it.

current California death rate is like 0.03% but the governor still on his open up in 2021 hype

whats the difference between 500 people in walmart against any where else? Im in the believing part that most of us have already got it at some point

its been 6 months :ld: since this been around

count it as 4 months if you wish to start it in january :ld: 2 1/2 months of going unchecked :ld:

Some legit questions should be answered

LA and NYC had navy ships off shore for covid patients — are they still there? Are they being utilized at all?

Elon musk was wrong for saying by May wed have no cases, but what about the other end including California govenor that said we’d have like 90 million cases by May?

at some point balance will have to be made
 

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:mjlol:these people would be trying to rethink how we shouldn't structure our lives around simply going to work

but these fools can't even think past that, stuck on these vague ass concepts of "freedoms"

when work damn near puts a wedge from most working folks from enjoying those very freedoms

sometimes at the cost of their health, and their damn social life.

I swear.

Right now in America, this is the most free we've been.

Think it about, since we were babies, when was the last time you had control of your time. Yes we cant go the club, bar(which most weren't going in the 1st place) or do certain things.

Right now you can get in your car and drive for days, without a care in the world.

Muffuccas dont really want freedom:mjlol::francis:
 

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man im puzzled how smart people can swallow this myth

Furthermore , true capitalism is based on a free market , By Amazon not paying any tax the government gave them the massive advantage where they could afford to undercut their competitors and sell at a loss , The sole aim of this was not to corner the market but to put their competitors out of business , funny how prices have gone up now that they are one of the few shows in town

Look at fukking Uber , they are using exactly the same strategy , they pay hardly any tax so they are able to charge ludicrously low prices solely to run their competitors out of business , look how many years they were losing billions of dollars because they were so committed to their strategy of controlling the market

The loss of all those jobs , price competition which is good for the consumer , tax revenue .... but nah it benefits America

If these companies werent given an unfair advantage then hey its all in the game .... and the companies are not to blame , their sole purpose is to generate profits for their shareholders by any legal means necessary , that is why they exist

Its the government that is fukking up by not looking out for their electorate
 

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Fam with all due respect you are wrong wrong wrong ...... For example the reason why Amazon is so big and is shutting down all the malls in America is that they dont pay any tax

Please explain to me how America has benefited by losing enormous amounts of tax revenue , has lost thousands of stores and jobs , and has allowed this company with all its money to get away with having their workers endure terrible conditions

Please tell me how one company having a near monopoly in the retail sector is good for consumers

The problem is your approach , You seem to think innovation means progress

For example within 10 years most delivery trucks will be self driving , even call centres wont be manned by real people , companies will fool a lot of people with your view of capitalism by saying , this will make production more efficient , cheaper etc....

and suckers , eat that bullshyt up , companies do this because it saves them money because they have less workers , and please dont tell me you believe the savings will be passed to the consumer because it wont

But let me tell you where America is really going to be fukked , Robots do not fukking pay taxes , you have an aging population and very soon you will not have enough working people paying taxes to support the economy

Robots dont buy Iphones , see what happens when you dont have enough people working to buy all the useless shyt to support the economy

And please dont you dare tell me that the creation of new industries will create jobs... it aint happening

The fact that you can write such a thoughtful post and at the same time promote the absolute lie that welth creation is good for America is beyond me

Whats good for Amazon is good for Amazon not what is good for America

You promote capitalism but fail to mention the one fundamental rule for any corporation , their first and top priority is to make money for their shareholders , regardless as to whether this is a hindrance to the American economy , hence them not paying tax ....Any CEO that tells you he is putting the interests of America first deserves to be taken outside and shot

This is what happens when people look at the economy from a political perspective , they never look past 10 years , fukk what these policies are going to do down the line , as long as were posting good figures while im in office its all; good

Biggest con since Ronald Reagan got people to believe trickledown economics works

In regards to what you said about Amazon, did Amazon instantly start as the number one retailer, or did they grow larger as people continued to use the service?

The paying taxes thing is a myth. It's common for locations to give companies who hire as many people as amazon a tax break because the revenue that place will collect from Amazon employees as well as the businesses that will spring up around it to service those employees far exceeds the tax break. No one is forcing those places to give Amazon tax breaks. Just like you saw in new York, they were free to say no and Amazon was free to look elsewhere.

And you're talking about automation which is fair, but as anyone who has worked with computers or machines will tell you, parts break down and need to be repaired often. The type of AI needed for fully autonomous production of goods is a long way off. When we can figure that out, scarcity of goods shouldn't be an issue, because just like the machines can diagnose, solder, weld, and make on the fly repairs, farming should likely also be a fully autonomous affair.

As far as driving goes you will always need a person in the vehicle because a self driving vehicle constantly connected to a 5g network will always be incredibly vulnerable to hacking. Not only that but in rural areas which will be the last to get a proper 5g network the signal could be lost and the vehicle wouldn't be able to download important real time traffic updates and road closings. Imagine an 18 wheeler barreling through an accident scene because it lost signal. Again we are many years away from fully autonomous self driving cars. Probably not in our lifetime.

And wealth creation isn't good for America, wealth creation is the carrot that drives innovation. It's the reason even poor Americans live in relative luxury compared to 3rd world countries.

You live in a fantasy land if you think people will sacrifice their bodies or spend countless hours of their lives creating and maintaining the things society needs to keep moving forward just for the love of random strangers.

Your problem is with money in politics. People using their money to buy or blackmail politicians who then rig the game in their favor. Your problem isn't with capitalism (aka the voluntary exchange of goods and services for an agreed upon price)

Socialism sounds good to the average ordinary not special at all person, but its slavery to the actual people you need for a thriving society.

Imagine giving up 8 years of your life with little to no social life or hobbies, taking hard ass classes to become a doctor only to eat at the same breadline as someone who plays call of duty for 12 hours a day
 

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Yup, pretty much everyone has had enough. Free the nation, end this demonic lockdown and investigate the CDC and their figures(Including Autism-MMR link).
 

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In regards to what you said about Amazon, did Amazon instantly start as the number one retailer, or did they grow larger as people continued to use the service?

The paying taxes thing is a myth. It's common for locations to give companies who hire as many people as amazon a tax break because the revenue that place will collect from Amazon employees as well as the businesses that will spring up around it to service those employees far exceeds the tax break. No one is forcing those places to give Amazon tax breaks. Just like you saw in new York, they were free to say no and Amazon was free to look elsewhere.

And you're talking about automation which is fair, but as anyone who has worked with computers or machines will tell you, parts break down and need to be repaired often. The type of AI needed for fully autonomous production of goods is a long way off. When we can figure that out, scarcity of goods shouldn't be an issue, because just like the machines can diagnose, solder, weld, and make on the fly repairs, farming should likely also be a fully autonomous affair.

As far as driving goes you will always need a person in the vehicle because a self driving vehicle constantly connected to a 5g network will always be incredibly vulnerable to hacking. Not only that but in rural areas which will be the last to get a proper 5g network the signal could be lost and the vehicle wouldn't be able to download important real time traffic updates and road closings. Imagine an 18 wheeler barreling through an accident scene because it lost signal. Again we are many years away from fully autonomous self driving cars. Probably not in our lifetime.

And wealth creation isn't good for America, wealth creation is the carrot that drives innovation. It's the reason even poor Americans live in relative luxury compared to 3rd world countries.

You live in a fantasy land if you think people will sacrifice their bodies or spend countless hours of their lives creating and maintaining the things society needs to keep moving forward just for the love of random strangers.

Your problem is with money in politics. People using their money to buy or blackmail politicians who then rig the game in their favor. Your problem isn't with capitalism (aka the voluntary exchange of goods and services for an agreed upon price)

Socialism sounds good to the average ordinary not special at all person, but its slavery to the actual people you need for a thriving society.

Imagine giving up 8 years of your life with little to no social life or hobbies, taking hard ass classes to become a doctor only to eat at the same breadline as someone who plays call of duty for 12 hours a day


And once again you are wrong , you made the same mistake that the original poster did

I do not have a problem with capitalism , I have a problem when people such as yourself expound the benefits of capitalism and completely avoiding the fact that this is not true capitalism

CAPITALISM IS BASED ON A FREE MARKET .... A COMPANY GIVEN THE ADVANTAGE OF NOT PAYING TAX SO IT CAN DRIVE OUT THE COMPETITION IS NOT CAPITALISM

And thats the problem , you are debating capitalism from how it is supposed to work , that is an entirely different argument , what is being practised here is not capitalism ... That is the flaw

If Bezos was not given an advantage and simply became the number one through simply being better I would have no argument with this and I would honestly say it would be a good thing , you know why? For him to position his company without the fair advantage Amazon would have to be so innovative run so efficiently be so forward thinking that it would be of benefit to the country as a whole ,

simply being in the position where you can price out your competition without needing to make your business work more efficiently doesnt help anyone

You say we are practising capitalism , so why is it that airlines are asking for government assistance , these airlines were cash rich , but they decided to take their cash and buy back stock to enrich their stockholders , their is nothing wrong with that

But hey its come to bite them back in the ass and now they are asking for a bailout from the government ....

That is Socialism my friend ... True Capitalism means that companies are allowed to fail , a company that will never be allowed to fail will never be run properly

And exactly the same consternation I had with the last poster is what I have with you

You clearly know what you are talking about

So how in the world have you been convinced that what we are presently practising is capitalism because it isnt

All due respect you are extolling the virtues of a system that no longer exists
 
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And once again you are wrong , you made the same mistake that the original poster did

I do not have a problem with capitalism , I have a problem when people such as yourself expound the benefits of capitalism and completely avoiding the fact that this is not true capitalism

CAPITALISM IS BASED ON A FREE MARKET .... A COMPANY GIVEN THE ADVANTAGE OF NOT PAYING TAX SO IT CAN DRIVE OUT THE COMPETITION IS NOT CAPITALISM

And thats the problem , you are debating capitalism from how it is supposed to work , that is an entirely different argument , what is being practised here is not capitalism ... That is the flaw

If Bezos was not given an advantage and simply became the number one through simply being better I would have no argument with this and I would honestly say it would be a good thing , you know why? For him to position his company without the fair advantage Amazon would have to be so innovative run so efficiently be so forward thinking that it would be of benefit to the country as a whole ,

simply being in the position where you can price out your competition without needing to make your business work more efficiently doesnt help anyone

You say we are practising capitalism , so why is it that airlines are asking for government assistance , these airlines were cash rich , but they decided to take their cash and buy back stock to enrich their stockholders , their is nothing wrong with that

But hey its come to bite them back in the ass and now they are asking for a bailout from the government ....

That is Socialism my friend ... True Capitalism means that companies are allowed to fail , a company that will never be allowed to fail will never be run properly

And exactly the same consternation I had with the last poster is what I have with you

You clearly know what you are talking about

So how in the world have you been convinced that what we are presently practising is capitalism because it isnt

All due respect you are extolling the virtues of a system

Once again, your problem is with money in politics. Which I totally agree with. The game can be rigged.

Every example you gave were companies and industries that were protected and propped up by the government to unsustainable heights. Then the government had to step in to stop the inevitable collapse.

But to act like Amazon only got to where they are currently because of government intervention is pure revisionist history. I'm old enough to remember a time before Amazon existed, when they started by selling books, and finally moved to the distribution/ fulfillment model they currently have. There was no one else offering the service Amazon offered.

In fact the people my parent's age were wary about shopping online. They wanted customer service and the option to pay with cash. They were nervous about entering credit card information online. It wasn't until the oldest group of millennials who grew up with the internet came of age and had none of those reservations that Amazon truly took off.

By the time it was actually profitable, Amazon already had its supply chains locked down and the name recognition and was miles ahead of any competitors.

But to the original point, socialism only works in theory, you can't point to one instance of it actually working without being intellectually dishonest and using Denmrk, Norway, and Sweden as your examples
 

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Murder is inevitable.


So murder away?

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There is a flaw in your logic... :ld:.

We legislate against and legislate to control many things which are "inevitable".

That's stupid. Murder requires one person doing something to someone that they don't want done to them.

If I wanna give you money or food or whatever in exchange for you to do or give me something I want that's a mutually beneficial transaction.

So when we get rid of money and there are dudes out here that weigh 140 pounds because they spend all their rations on sex, we gonna round up those women and punish them for practicing capitalism?
 

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Once again, your problem is with money in politics. Which I totally agree with. The game can be rigged.

Every example you gave were companies and industries that were protected and propped up by the government to unsustainable heights. Then the government had to step in to stop the inevitable collapse.

But to act like Amazon only got to where they are currently because of government intervention is pure revisionist history. I'm old enough to remember a time before Amazon existed, when they started by selling books, and finally moved to the distribution/ fulfillment model they currently have. There was no one else offering the service Amazon offered.

In fact the people my parent's age were wary about shopping online. They wanted customer service and the option to pay with cash. They were nervous about entering credit card information online. It wasn't until the oldest group of millennials who grew up with the internet came of age and had none of those reservations that Amazon truly took off.

By the time it was actually profitable, Amazon already had its supply chains locked down and the name recognition and was miles ahead of any competitors.

But to the original point, socialism only works in theory, you can't point to one instance of it actually working without being intellectually dishonest and using Denmrk, Norway, and Sweden as your examples


The thing is you are right , Amazon deserved to get to a certain level because they set a new benchmark , made everyone up their game and that was good

My problem is there came a point where Bezos was given such an advantage by being able to pay no tax that it realised it no longer needed to innovate , Amazon now as a company is much worse than Amazon then , in terms of how it treats its workers business practises etc... But it makes more money , and this is the point where it doesnt benefit anyone , they have zero competition so they dont need to make their company better to increase profits , they just increase the prices

And the problem is now because he is virtually the only game in town , the government need him more than he needs them , they screwed themselves


My one true critique of capitalism is that there comes a point where the average person has to work against their own interests for it to keep running

If we all decided to live within our means , the whole thing collapses extremely quickly , this system only works if we keep on spending For this shyt to work we have to take out credit and loans to keep on buying shyt we dont need

Ive changed my TV 3 times in 5 years , its laughable really because I honestly cant remember the last time I bought an electric item because the previous one broke down

Most modern day cars if serviced properly arent even broken in for the first ten years , but people lease a car every three years for no particular reason .... i include myself in this

Living beyond our means unnecessarily isnt really in our interests , but living within our means ultimately will be worse

And yet I cant see a better economic model out there
 
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