Elizabeth Warren HQ: She's Got A Plan!

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And the only time people like you interact with others socially is on message boards.

The first thing you did was say reality is wrong because it conflicts with your world view. After somebody says something that ridiculous, they aren't to be taken serious. For what I gather from the kid's responses you aren't a good-faith actor anyway, so I'm not missing anything of substance by dismissing you.

That's the last bit of attention you're getting so bask in it.
no, i said what you said was incorrect, because it isnt reality. stop it. lol from the kids responses in a thread where everyone well mostly everyone is hugging each other with a warm liz blanky. cut it out. there is no good faith acting.

If you say you're for liz, but you aint for that old man, you're lying to yourself for other reasons that have nothing to do with helping most of your fellow citizens. thats the truth that yall dont want to deal with.

if i did my research i can probably pull up old posts about how these same today liz lovers were liz haters when they thought she was about to run during hill's run in 16. part of the reason they hopped on board was not because they now know how great her policies are. its only because thats the direction the wave that the media and even the DNC to some degree is moving in. These people are followers, not trend setters. they follow mass media, they follow the establishment. You can do that when your bank account is fine and your friends/families bank accounts are good and you do a little charity on the side. you can feel good about yourself. only when you are either in the trenches with the broke folks, or you REALLY care, that you actually dont follow behind the bs.

Now would it be nice if bernie was a lady? sure. would it be even nicer if bernie was an asian lady? or a black lady? of course. but he isnt. and those people are not running in this race. so we have to deal with what we have, and old white dude that is and has been for the people for 30+ years. there is no other choice when that choice is available to you. period. unlesssss.... you're into something else. Me personally, i dont like people that "use to be republicans'(hillary, warren...biden) there's a reason why, because there is something to say about how you were raised and the household you were raised in that makes you who you are and it makes you see the world thru that filter. even if you wake up a bit and realize some of that stuff was bad. you will still only be able to break only so far away from it because thats human nature, thats all you were raised on. and what you were raised on has a much greater impression than what you just learned once you turned 40 or 50. can an old dog learn new tricks? sure, but those learned tricks are still done with a twist of what he/she originally knew. There's a reason liz said she was a capitalist to her bones and she meant it. thats that repub creeping up inside of her. No one that truly cares about all people should ever say they are a capitalist to their bones. especially not the way our american version of it has worked throughout history.
 

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@FAH1223 @tru_m.a.c why do you allow anti-warren posts when myself and others are blocked from sanders threads?
its not about anti posting. its about lies. If people are coming into any candidates thread and spewing lies over and over/misinformation, they deserve to get banned from said thread. they are not in good faith giving a true/factual take. so unless you can say these anti warren posts are lies(prove it). then they should remain in the thread. and you shouldnt be mad about it. only a person that wants to live in a cartoon/not real life will never want to hear something negative that is also true about someone they are following and desire to be the president. That mentality is how those crazy people voted for trump. Trump lies to them, no one can check him on said lies because they dont want to hear anything negative about their guy. so he wins and does nothing for them that he said he was going to do. all they had to do is open their minds up to facts that proved he was a liar.
 

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its not about anti posting. its about lies. If people are coming into any candidates thread and spewing lies over and over/misinformation, they deserve to get banned from said thread. they are not in good faith giving a true/factual take. so unless you can say these anti warren posts are lies(prove it). then they should remain in the thread. and you shouldnt be mad about it. only a person that wants to live in a cartoon/not real life will never want to hear something negative that is also true about someone they are following and desire to be the president. That mentality is how those crazy people voted for trump. Trump lies to them, no one can check him on said lies because they dont want to hear anything negative about their guy. so he wins and does nothing for them that he said he was going to do. all they had to do is open their minds up to facts that proved he was a liar.
not ONE time did I lie about Bernie. They hated i was pointing out his flaws.

just moure double standards.
 

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Economist: Warren is right. Her Medicare for All plan won't raise taxes on the middle class
Mark Zandi for CNN Business Perspectives
6-7 minutes
Mark Zandi is chief economist of Moody's Analytics. He was an advisor to John McCain's 2008 presidential campaign and supported Hillary Clinton in the 2016 presidential election. The opinions expressed in this commentary are his own.

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It's no secret that I'm not a fan of Medicare for All. That's why I'm impressed that Senator Elizabeth Warren's campaign reached out to me to independently review her proposed financing plan for the program. Her numbers add up and her plan fully finances the program without imposing any new taxes on middle-class families.

The most important source of revenue for Warren's Medicare for All plan is simply to have businesses pay their employees' health insurance premiums to Medicare instead of private insurance companies. Over time, businesses would be required to pay slightly less to Medicare for health insurance than they would otherwise have paid to private insurers. New small businesses with fewer than 50 employees would not be required to make these payments.

There has been some handwringing that this would be regressive. That is, lower-paid workers would suffer, since businesses would pay more for lower-paid workers' health insurance as a percent of their pay than for higher-paid workers. But companies' current premiums generally vary by the type of insurance plan and family size, and not by employee income. Warren's Medicare for All plan effectively preserves this. And by replacing trillions of dollars in individual spending on health care with new taxes on large corporations and the rich, her plan overall is clearly progressive.

Warren's Medicare for All plan is also paid for in part by the taxes generated from the increase in take-home pay that workers will enjoy as they no longer pay toward private health insurance. The typical worker shells out several thousand dollars a year, untaxed, to insure their family. Under Medicare for All, that worker would receive that money as wages, which would be subject under existing law to income and payroll taxes.

Large too-big-to-fail banks, financial firms and large multinational corporations would also pay more to fund Warren's M4A. While the merits of these tax increases are debatable, there is little debate regarding the revenues they will generate. This is based on past work done by the Congressional Budget Office and Joint Committee on Taxation, the non-partisan government organizations that assess the budgetary costs of government spending and tax policies.

Perhaps the most controversial of Warren's proposed methods to finance Medicare for All is to increase taxes on the super-rich. This includes significantly upping her wealth tax on the nation's 600-plus billionaires. Some critics believe Warren's taxes on the wealthy would be unfairly confiscatory, substantially cutting into their wealth. Perhaps. But over the past two generations, the top 0.1% of Americans has seen its share of the nation's wealth more than double to 20%. This trend is not consistent with a well-functioning market economy and democracy like ours'.

Criticism that Warren is overestimating the revenue she can hope to generate from the wealth tax is overblown. She addresses these concerns by saying she will empower and appropriately fund the Internal Revenue Service to go after those who willfully avoid paying their taxes. Enforcing our tax laws and best practices on tax compliance can generate significant revenue. Closing America's tax gap — the difference between taxes owed and taxes paid —would help Warren get the revenue she needs.

To be sure, these aren't the only taxes on the wealthy that Warren has proposed. In addition to the wealth tax, which she also uses to pay for her child care, college affordability and K-12 education plans, she wants a larger estate tax to pay for her housing plan, higher payroll and net investment income taxes would go toward her Social Security reforms, and she supports repealing Trump's tax cuts for high-income households to generate even more revenue for her plans. With this combination of tax changes, there is a reasonable concern that the wealthy will work overtime to avoid paying.

But once we start to consider the broader consequences of the totality of Warren's plans, it's incumbent we do so with regard to both her tax proposals but also the investments those taxes will fund.
Based on my own analyses, Warren's plans for child care, housing and green manufacturing would spur economic growth and produce more tax revenue. Considering the economic impact of all her proposals (an analysis no one has done yet), it is very possible that total government revenues generated by her plans will exceed the total amount of new investments she proposes. Criticism that Senator Warren's Medicare for All plan can't be paid for, at least not without putting a greater financial burden on lower- and middle-income Americans, is wrong.

Of course, Warren's Medicare for All plan isn't the only way to provide health insurance to all Americans, rein in growing health care costs and improve health care outcomes. A more tractable approach in my view is to allow those who like their private health insurance to keep it and to build on Obamacare by giving everyone else an option to get Medicare.

I don't agree with Warren's vision for our health care system, but I admire that she has clearly and credibly laid out that vision and that she sought out the opinions of those who may disagree with her to provide independent validation of her numbers. That's the kind of rigor we should expect from all of our presidential candidates.



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Opinion | Who’s Afraid of Elizabeth Warren?
By Jamelle Bouie
6-7 minutes
Opinion|Who’s Afraid of Elizabeth Warren?

Quite a few people, and they have something in common. It’s not poverty.



  • Nov. 12, 2019

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Elizabeth Warren at a rally on Monday in N.H. Billionaires have gone public with their attack on her proposed tax policy, but it’s voters who will have the final say.Credit...Sarah Rice for The New York Times
President Trump has been good for America’s billionaires. He slashed corporate taxes, cut the top income tax rate and raised the total exemption for the estate tax, directly benefiting several hundred billionaires and their heirs. He’s placed wealthy supporters in key positions of government like the Commerce Department, rolled back Obama-era financial regulations and privileged the interests of favored industries — like resource extraction and fossil fuel production — above all else.

There are billionaires who oppose Trump, of course. But for the most part they aren’t class traitors. They still want the government to work in their favor. They still want to keep their taxes low, just without the dysfunction — and gratuitous cruelty — of the current administration. And they want Democrats to choose a conventional nominee: a moderate standard-bearer who doesn’t want to make fundamental changes to the economy, from greatly increased taxes to greater worker control.

Plenty of Democratic voters agree. But just as many have rallied behind candidates who want a more equal, more democratic economy. Two of the three leading candidates — Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth Warren — want new taxes on the wealthiest Americans and their assets. Sanders has the steeper tax but Warren is not far behind former vice president Joe Biden in national polling and leads the field in both Iowa and New Hampshire. With Biden struggling to break away from the pack, it looks like Warren actually could be the nominee, and anti-Trump billionaires are worried.


That’s why one of them, Mike Bloomberg, has floated a plan to run for the Democratic nomination. And why others have gone public with their attacks on Warren.

Mark Cuban, a billionaire investor, said Warren — whose wealth tax calls for a 2 percent tax on households with more than $50 million in assets and a 6 percent tax on households with assets of more than $1 billion — is “selling shiny objects to divert attention from reality.”

Another billionaire investor, Leon Cooperman, called Warren’s wealth tax a “bankrupt concept,” said it could “lead to inappropriate actions in the economy that are counterproductive” and warned that Warren is “taking the country down a very wrong path.”

“What she’s peddling is bull. Total, complete bull,” Cooperman said last week on CNBC, “That comes from someone who believes in a progressive income tax structure, who believes the rich should pay more.”

A few days later, Cooperman announced his support for Bloomberg’s potential candidacy.

Bill Gates also thinks Elizabeth Warren’s wealth tax goes too far: “I’ve paid over $10 billion in taxes. I’ve paid more than anyone in taxes. If I had to have paid $20 billion, it’s fine. But when you say I should pay $100 billion, then I’m starting to do a little math about what I have left over.” He claimed that he was “just kidding,” but when asked if he would support Warren over Trump, he demurred. Instead, he said, he’d cast a ballot for whichever candidate had the “more professional approach.”

If there’s a prominent billionaire who hasn’t taken a public stance on Warren, it’s Jeff Bezos, the chief executive of Amazon. But he did urge Bloomberg to run for president earlier this year, perhaps a sign that he too is worried about the outcome of the Democratic primary.

All of this is understandable. As my colleague Patti Cohen notes, if Warren’s wealth tax had been in effect since 1982, Gates would have had $13.9 billion in 2018 instead of $97 billion, Bezos would have $48.8 billion instead of $160 billion, and Bloomberg would have had $12.3 billion instead of $51.8 billion. They would still be billionaires, but Warren’s tax would have taken a significant chunk out of their assets. And even if the wealth tax never became law, a Warren administration would still take a hard line on financial regulation, consumer protection and tax enforcement, key areas of interest for the super rich. It’s impossible to imagine a Warren White House in which billionaires would have the same access and favored status that they do with Trump.

Warren’s wealthy critics are right to be nervous. And they have a right to speak out against her. But Bloomberg’s potential entry into the race — and Tom Steyer’s ongoing presence — shows that they’re not just giving an opinion. They want assurance that the Democratic nominee won’t be too disruptive. They want a restoration of the pre-Trump status quo, not a revolution. They want a veto of sorts, a formal way to say that Democrats can only go so far with their plans and policies.

The only response worth making to this idea is to laugh. Despite voter suppression, unlimited political spending and the president’s attempt to solicit foreign interference on his behalf, this is still a democracy. The final say still rests with voters, with ordinary Americans who retain the power to shape our government. And if those voters decide to nominate Warren or Sanders instead of a traditional moderate — and if either of those candidates beats Trump, as is very possible — then the billionaires will have to learn to live with the people’s will.
 

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just cause, this poster in the previous post above(not what i quoted) is trying to flood the thread to combat this truth. lets take a look again.
Krystal Ball is not a reliable source. She is a full Bernie Stan with no objectivity. Tim Black and other Bernie supporters are trying to make a big deal out of the player in the game comment. Did you really think she was going to say anything different when she is in a close race there? I’m for Ranked Choice Voting and letting all the states vote on one primary day. I’m also for an amendment to abolish the electoral college. That will need to be pushed after Iowa and N.H. primaries. With enough pressure i think she will be pushed left on this issues. It is up us the people to demand this. If Bernie wins I highly doubt this will be one of his first priorities. We are going have the pressure the Democratic Party as a whole to change this.

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Why do you continue to post this in the Warren thread? It would make more sense to have this discussion in the democratic primary thread.
 
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