It comes down to who can handle his slander. I feel like Warren and Sanders are the two most slander proof people against Trump. It’s clear that socialist label ain’t hurting either one of them. He can’t attack their records. Everyone else has something glaring to point at. These are the only two people who look better the more you look at their records. I wouldn’t worry about Liz handling Trump.
Elizabeth Warren HQ: She's Got A Plan!
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My theory is that if you have Warren on stage explaining how her policies will actually help the people while Donald Trump gets up there and just makes up crap and tries to be insulting, people will see the difference. Warren doesn't have the Clinton baggage for Trump to tee off on. Harris can beat him on aggression, Bernie can beat him at populism and Warren can beat him on vision. Pete and Biden being mostly vapid would be the two that I think Trump could smoke on a debate stage.
warren can beat him on populism too truthfully. thats what makes her so dangerous for him because she'll win democrats with her liberal ideas and she'll win back the states we lost with her populism mostly targeted at "them" ie the top tier. she's gonna win a lot of people over with the wealth tax and keep hammering home its 75k super rich families that would be affected.
shes a major problem for them and just needs to keep riding this wave in the 2-3 spot so she isnt the main target until the very end
She needs to finish top 2 in New Hampshire (feel the same for Sanders). They can't be out here 4th in their backyard because then you go South and to Kamala's house.
Terribe premise imo. Because she bowed to Hillary's power in 2016 and then became her attack dog.
Early on I thought Warren would have a problem with the public, but looking at how high her favorability ratings are and how she was able to pull voters towards her in the 1st debate, I don't have an issue with that anymore. The "Pocahontas" shyt has been completely played out now and it wasn't that devastating. Leaning on it would hurt Trump more than help him at this point. So what else does Trump have?
I've never bought that narrative for a second. I can give a ton of examples of the establishment Dems wielding power. The issue isn't that they won't wield power, is that they don't want the same things we want.
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Last 20 years?
Here's 15 in the last 15 years:Last 20 years?
Killing Bush's social security privatization
An enormous 2009 bailout
Forcing through Obamacare
LGBT in military
Drone warfare in all sorts of countries we're not at war with, even killing US citizens and getting away with it
Extreme control of leaks and crackdowns on whistleblowers in the Obama administration
Massive campaign in the 2012 elections
Paris Accord without Congressional approval
DACA via executive order
Killing the filibuster on judges
Iran deal without Congressional approval
Clear Power Plan via executive order
Net neutrality
Trying to rig the 2016 primaries
Calling Trump's bluff on the government shutdown
What makes one electable?People didn’t think Obama was electable then he came through and crushed the buildings in 2008.
Yep, fukk that whole "electability" argument. That's just bullshyt to get Democrats voting for centrists they think will appeal to Republicans. fukk Republicans, they love Trump if they're stupid enough to vote for him, a centrist isn't going to change their minds.
All the recent Presidential election losses were from the school of "electability" choices.
I stopped at "forcing through Obamacare"
Just shoved that shyt down your fat face with 60 senators and the majority in the House even after letting Republicans pull the final bill to the right.And stopping SS privatization, don't remember the whole "take your government hands off my Medicare" meme huh
I stopped at "forcing through Obamacare"
And stopping SS privatization, don't remember the whole "take your government hands off my Medicare" meme huh
Down my face? What are you even talking about?
And they didn't have 60 senators supporting, at least 3 of the Democrats in the Senate were opposed at the beginning and then Kennedy died and got replaced by a Republican before the bill was ready. It was a MAJOR power play to push that thing through and you can't have been alive and paying any attention to politics if you don't remember that. Reid starting debate by affixing it as an Amendment to a dead bill? The Cornhusker Kickback? The push to force a vote before Christmas? Forcing through a faulty bill via the reconciliation process because they didn't want to give it back to the Senate with Scott Brown in place?
I can have been in support of Obamacare and still recognize that it was a clear power play.
Also, claiming that Pelosi didn't make a power play to stop Bush's SS privatization plan is just weird - she began her legacy on that move.
shyt, Warren is growing on me. i usually rock with bernie, so it's gonna be interesting how bernie will react on Warren
Both would be good candidates, but i'm afraid biden will take the w
Both would be good candidates, but i'm afraid biden will take the w