Elizabeth Warren HQ: She's Got A Plan!
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4 years ago they were feeling the Bern. Now they're backing Elizabeth Warren.
Malcolm Harris
6-7 minutes
Zach D Roberts/NurPhoto via ZUMA Press
Four years ago, Francis Beylotte was proud to support Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders in the South Carolina Democratic primary. Now, the Charleston progressive activist is ready to cast his vote once more for a candidate who’s expressed support for a single-payer health-care system and wants to push back against the power of large corporations. But this time, that candidate is Elizabeth Warren.
After meeting both senators at events this year—Sanders once, Warren twice—Beylotte was won over by the Massachusetts Democrat’s warmth and policy chops.
“Warren feels like a friend,” Beylotte said when we met Saturday at the South Carolina Democratic Party Convention, where he was a delegate. “And I like the plans. Plans are a big deal.”
“Bernie had a good chance,” he added. “It didn’t work out. Let somebody take mantle and move forward. When I saw Bernie earlier, I just thought, ‘Imagine that, but a woman.’ And that’s what Warren is.”
Sanders struggled mightily in South Carolina in 2016, losing the crucial early primary state to Hillary Clinton by 47.5 percentage points. With four more years to introduce himself to voters in the state, and the Clinton name no longer on the ballot, Sanders entered this campaign with high expectations. But as he seeks to widen his base of support in a more crowded field, there are also signs that other candidates have begun to chip away at his already small group of voters in the state. Two polls in the last two weeks have shown Warren leapfrogging Sanders into second place in South Carolina, consistent with trends that show her closing the gap nationally on her Capitol Hill ally. On Tuesday the progressive group MoveOn released a straw poll of its members showing Warren leading in the state and Sanders far behind in fourth place.
Jan Leonard, the outgoing president of the group Charleston County Democratic Women, recently made the switch from Sanders after a recent meeting with Warren. Her husband did too.
“And he was a much bigger Bernie fan than I was,” she told me.
Leonard’s reason for doing so was a reflection of both Sanders’ success and the challenge he now faces at a time when he no longer has the party’s progressive flank to himself.
“I felt he would help push the party left,” she said of Sanders. “I feel now that that has been done to a great degree.”
The specificity of Warren’s policy proposals is a major draw for Leonard, who singled out the senator’s plan for a wealth tax—a 2-percent annual levy on net worth over $50 million—and universal pre-K child care. But Warren also offers something Sanders can’t.
“Let’s be honest,” Leonard said. “I think women want a woman.”
The ex-Berniecrats I spoke to hadn’t exactly soured on Sanders. But with an expanded field, they were finding candidates who more specifically fit what they were looking for in a vastly changed political climate. “[Joe Biden] and Bernie Sanders both are too old,” Sarah Kennery, another 2016 Sanders voter I met in Columbia, said. Right now she likes Warren and Marianne Williamson, a long-shot candidate and wellness guru.
Martha Brock, a former Sanders supporter who had taken a chartered bus down from North Carolina for a candidate forum sponsored by Planned Parenthood, was trying to settle on a short-list of five candidates that included Warren and former HUD Secretary Julian Castro. For now, Sanders wasn’t on it.
“We keep running the same people over and over again, and it’s time for some new faces,” she said.
During Saturday’s festivities, one 2016 Sanders supporter was walking around the Columbia convention center in a blue t-shirt that said: “No old white men.” He, too, was backing Warren.
Arik Bjorn, a 2016 Bernie organizer, with an extremely subtle 2020 message. pic.twitter.com/uug2v1yEkJ
— Dave Weigel (@daveweigel) June 22, 2019
Sanders had the insurgent vote to himself in 2016, but he won’t have that advantage this time around as he looks to make up ground against Biden, the current frontrunner. (For what it’s worth, none of these ex-Sanders supporters said were leaning toward Biden in the primary.) Still, even as he risks losing ground among his base, the departure of the Clintons from the scene has left a void that Biden alone can’t fill. And there are signs Sanders might get a second chance to win over at least some Democrats who voted for the former secretary of State.
On Sunday, a day after the convention, Sanders was the only top-tier candidate with a public event scheduled, a town hall in the Charlotte suburb of Rock Hill. Apart from the usual die-hards, the audience included a large number of undecided voters who were taking a second look at the candidate they’d passed over in 2016. Cindy Butterworth, a one-time Clinton supporter, told me Sanders had grown on her since the primary four years ago, when she’d considered him “fringe.” Another Clinton voter, Lane Moore, was taking a flyer on a candidate her son and his fiancée couldn’t stop talking about.
To Jerome Fisher from Rock Hill, Sanders was an unknown commodity in 2016. He cast his vote for the familiar face, Clinton. But Fisher, who said he’s skeptical of Biden, has since grown more receptive to Sanders. He wanted to hear the Vermonter explain how he would fight for seniors and, as he put it, “why I should put him in my life.” He came away impressed.
“At the moment, yeah, I would vote for him,” Fisher said when Sanders wrapped up his remarks.
But, he added, “we’ve got how many months to go?”
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4 years ago they were feeling the Bern. Now they're backing Elizabeth Warren.
Malcolm Harris
6-7 minutes
Zach D Roberts/NurPhoto via ZUMA Press
Four years ago, Francis Beylotte was proud to support Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders in the South Carolina Democratic primary. Now, the Charleston progressive activist is ready to cast his vote once more for a candidate who’s expressed support for a single-payer health-care system and wants to push back against the power of large corporations. But this time, that candidate is Elizabeth Warren.
After meeting both senators at events this year—Sanders once, Warren twice—Beylotte was won over by the Massachusetts Democrat’s warmth and policy chops.
“Warren feels like a friend,” Beylotte said when we met Saturday at the South Carolina Democratic Party Convention, where he was a delegate. “And I like the plans. Plans are a big deal.”
“Bernie had a good chance,” he added. “It didn’t work out. Let somebody take mantle and move forward. When I saw Bernie earlier, I just thought, ‘Imagine that, but a woman.’ And that’s what Warren is.”
Sanders struggled mightily in South Carolina in 2016, losing the crucial early primary state to Hillary Clinton by 47.5 percentage points. With four more years to introduce himself to voters in the state, and the Clinton name no longer on the ballot, Sanders entered this campaign with high expectations. But as he seeks to widen his base of support in a more crowded field, there are also signs that other candidates have begun to chip away at his already small group of voters in the state. Two polls in the last two weeks have shown Warren leapfrogging Sanders into second place in South Carolina, consistent with trends that show her closing the gap nationally on her Capitol Hill ally. On Tuesday the progressive group MoveOn released a straw poll of its members showing Warren leading in the state and Sanders far behind in fourth place.
Jan Leonard, the outgoing president of the group Charleston County Democratic Women, recently made the switch from Sanders after a recent meeting with Warren. Her husband did too.
“And he was a much bigger Bernie fan than I was,” she told me.
Leonard’s reason for doing so was a reflection of both Sanders’ success and the challenge he now faces at a time when he no longer has the party’s progressive flank to himself.
“I felt he would help push the party left,” she said of Sanders. “I feel now that that has been done to a great degree.”
The specificity of Warren’s policy proposals is a major draw for Leonard, who singled out the senator’s plan for a wealth tax—a 2-percent annual levy on net worth over $50 million—and universal pre-K child care. But Warren also offers something Sanders can’t.
“Let’s be honest,” Leonard said. “I think women want a woman.”
The ex-Berniecrats I spoke to hadn’t exactly soured on Sanders. But with an expanded field, they were finding candidates who more specifically fit what they were looking for in a vastly changed political climate. “[Joe Biden] and Bernie Sanders both are too old,” Sarah Kennery, another 2016 Sanders voter I met in Columbia, said. Right now she likes Warren and Marianne Williamson, a long-shot candidate and wellness guru.
Martha Brock, a former Sanders supporter who had taken a chartered bus down from North Carolina for a candidate forum sponsored by Planned Parenthood, was trying to settle on a short-list of five candidates that included Warren and former HUD Secretary Julian Castro. For now, Sanders wasn’t on it.
“We keep running the same people over and over again, and it’s time for some new faces,” she said.
During Saturday’s festivities, one 2016 Sanders supporter was walking around the Columbia convention center in a blue t-shirt that said: “No old white men.” He, too, was backing Warren.
Arik Bjorn, a 2016 Bernie organizer, with an extremely subtle 2020 message. pic.twitter.com/uug2v1yEkJ
— Dave Weigel (@daveweigel) June 22, 2019
Sanders had the insurgent vote to himself in 2016, but he won’t have that advantage this time around as he looks to make up ground against Biden, the current frontrunner. (For what it’s worth, none of these ex-Sanders supporters said were leaning toward Biden in the primary.) Still, even as he risks losing ground among his base, the departure of the Clintons from the scene has left a void that Biden alone can’t fill. And there are signs Sanders might get a second chance to win over at least some Democrats who voted for the former secretary of State.
On Sunday, a day after the convention, Sanders was the only top-tier candidate with a public event scheduled, a town hall in the Charlotte suburb of Rock Hill. Apart from the usual die-hards, the audience included a large number of undecided voters who were taking a second look at the candidate they’d passed over in 2016. Cindy Butterworth, a one-time Clinton supporter, told me Sanders had grown on her since the primary four years ago, when she’d considered him “fringe.” Another Clinton voter, Lane Moore, was taking a flyer on a candidate her son and his fiancée couldn’t stop talking about.
To Jerome Fisher from Rock Hill, Sanders was an unknown commodity in 2016. He cast his vote for the familiar face, Clinton. But Fisher, who said he’s skeptical of Biden, has since grown more receptive to Sanders. He wanted to hear the Vermonter explain how he would fight for seniors and, as he put it, “why I should put him in my life.” He came away impressed.
“At the moment, yeah, I would vote for him,” Fisher said when Sanders wrapped up his remarks.
But, he added, “we’ve got how many months to go?”
@GzUp @wire28
@Atlrocafella
@ezrathegreat @Jello Biafra @humble forever @Darth Nubian @Dameon Farrow @General Bravo III @BigMoneyGrip @hashmander @Call Me James @VR Tripper @Iceson Beckford @dongameister @Soymuscle Mike @BaileyPark31 @Lucky_Lefty @johnedwarduado
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THE MACHINE
night owl
Elizabeth got the juice. Dems can't get this wrong again can they? 
DONT MESS THIS UP WITH ELECTING BIDEN IN THE PRIMARIES!! I'm talking to my brehs in those southern states. He's another Hillary.
DONT MESS THIS UP WITH ELECTING BIDEN IN THE PRIMARIES!! I'm talking to my brehs in those southern states. He's another Hillary.
thatrapsfan
Superstar
Reporting for duty. Warren/Castro ticket!
the next guy
Superstar
need not to dissapear for an hour next time
They asked her one question the second hour. Some y’all expect her to scream over people like Delaney and deblasio
the next guy
Superstar
i know, it just felt like people will say she didnt seperate herself from the pack.
dora_da_destroyer
Master Baker
She held her spot and did her thing the first hour. Her being in this lineup, the onus wasn’t on her to separate herself, she’s clearly the cream of the crop of these 10, the burden was on the other 9 to makes cases for themselves and start polling above the 3% mark
I just wish she’d get on board with the Ilhan Omar and Sanders student debt relief program. Other than that, she’s doing well. Needs to learn foreign policy though. DeBlasio and Castro helped themselves.
JMurder
SOHH Member since 01...
What quantifies as reliable data for "who can beat Trump?" Because as far as I'm concerned, it's too early to tell.
Also, who did you vote for in 2016?
Wargames
One Of The Last Real Ones To Do It
I’m going to be honest she’s gonna have to do better next debate and be more assertive. The only candidate in both nights who looked like they could handle Trump one on one was Harris.
Her closing was strong, and it felt authentic. However for someone who talks about fighting, she’s going to have to show more “fight” herself.
Her closing was strong, and it felt authentic. However for someone who talks about fighting, she’s going to have to show more “fight” herself.