E. Ness Debates Jay Z Holding Back Beanie Sigel’s Career

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I went to the movies to see state property lol, what more did they want them to do for beans, he fell off due to him not staying off the drugs and out the streets , what happened to the beans and Scarface album? It was cool til his behavior started to affect the music :yeshrug:
State Property was in theaters?:dead:
 

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The irony in that is thats what drew most of yall in (not you per se). Rap fans are weird like that, almost like women.

Say one thing then complains about

it later.

Beans was ill, no doubt, but lets not act like the street thing isnt what drew most fans in.

Not just with him but most rappers or street rappers.
Both things are true, it hurt him but also drew people in to his music in the first place.
 

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Jay didn’t let him out his deal when 50 wanted to sign him
What?

1. beans did sign to G-unit
2. Jay left Def Jam before Beans
3.

In 2002, Sigel was arrested and charged with a federal weapons charge in West Philadelphia. He would later serve a year in federal prison.[7]

Sigel was arrested in January 2003 after allegedly punching a 53-year-old man in the face, fracturing his eye socket.[34] On July 3, 2003, Sigel turned himself in to Philadelphia police and was charged with attempted murder after allegedly firing six shots from a 9 mm handgun at a club door, injuring two people. He was also charged with aggravated assault, simple assault and possession of a criminal instrument. His first trial ended in a hung jury. A second trial resulted in a not-guilty verdict.[8]

In 2004, Sigel was convicted of federal weapons charges and sentenced to one year and one day in federal prison.[35]

Sigel was shot multiple times during a robbery in Philadelphia on May 25, 2006. He was able to flee the scene and drive himself to a local hospital. One month prior to this incident, Sigel was released from prison after serving a brief stint for child support charges.[36]

On August 15, 2009, Sigel was arrested on a drug possession charge while traveling to a concert in New Jersey. He was found in possession of nearly 50 grams (1.8 oz) of marijuana in his vehicle.[37]

Sigel was charged in 2010 with three counts of failing to file tax returns on income of over $1 million between 2003 and 2005. He pled guilty to the charges and was sentenced to 25 months in prison.[38]

On August 29, 2012, two weeks before reporting to prison, Sigel was arrested again in Philadelphia on drug, weapons, and conspiracy charges after being pulled over by police. Officers found a fully loaded .38-caliber Smith & Wesson handgun inside the vehicle, as well as $4,500 in cash, an unlabeled bottle of codeine cough syrup, and various pills.[39] Sigel began his 24-month sentence for failing to file tax returns at the Federal Detention Center, Philadelphia on September 12, 2012. Additionally, he was sentenced six to 23 months in county jail for illegal possession of prescription drugs, to be served concurrently with his federal sentence.[40][41]

On August 14, 2014, Sigel was released from Federal Correctional Institution, Schuylkill and was reported to be serving out the rest of his sentence in a halfway house in Philadelphia.[42] Sigel was wounded in a drive-by shooting outside his Pleasantville, New Jersey home on December 5, 2014.[43][44] He was rushed to the hospital where he had a lung removed due to complications during surgery. According to police, Sigel was not the intended victim.[45][46][47]
 

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What?

1. beans did sign to G-unit
2. Jay left Def Jam before Beans
3.

In 2002, Sigel was arrested and charged with a federal weapons charge in West Philadelphia. He would later serve a year in federal prison.[7]

Sigel was arrested in January 2003 after allegedly punching a 53-year-old man in the face, fracturing his eye socket.[34] On July 3, 2003, Sigel turned himself in to Philadelphia police and was charged with attempted murder after allegedly firing six shots from a 9 mm handgun at a club door, injuring two people. He was also charged with aggravated assault, simple assault and possession of a criminal instrument. His first trial ended in a hung jury. A second trial resulted in a not-guilty verdict.[8]

In 2004, Sigel was convicted of federal weapons charges and sentenced to one year and one day in federal prison.[35]

Sigel was shot multiple times during a robbery in Philadelphia on May 25, 2006. He was able to flee the scene and drive himself to a local hospital. One month prior to this incident, Sigel was released from prison after serving a brief stint for child support charges.[36]

On August 15, 2009, Sigel was arrested on a drug possession charge while traveling to a concert in New Jersey. He was found in possession of nearly 50 grams (1.8 oz) of marijuana in his vehicle.[37]

Sigel was charged in 2010 with three counts of failing to file tax returns on income of over $1 million between 2003 and 2005. He pled guilty to the charges and was sentenced to 25 months in prison.[38]

On August 29, 2012, two weeks before reporting to prison, Sigel was arrested again in Philadelphia on drug, weapons, and conspiracy charges after being pulled over by police. Officers found a fully loaded .38-caliber Smith & Wesson handgun inside the vehicle, as well as $4,500 in cash, an unlabeled bottle of codeine cough syrup, and various pills.[39] Sigel began his 24-month sentence for failing to file tax returns at the Federal Detention Center, Philadelphia on September 12, 2012. Additionally, he was sentenced six to 23 months in county jail for illegal possession of prescription drugs, to be served concurrently with his federal sentence.[40][41]

On August 14, 2014, Sigel was released from Federal Correctional Institution, Schuylkill and was reported to be serving out the rest of his sentence in a halfway house in Philadelphia.[42] Sigel was wounded in a drive-by shooting outside his Pleasantville, New Jersey home on December 5, 2014.[43][44] He was rushed to the hospital where he had a lung removed due to complications during surgery. According to police, Sigel was not the intended victim.[45][46][47]
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Why does he have to? It's business not personal . 50 signed a ton of people after G Unit original crew and they all flopped
You don’t get it

Jay is foul

Jay was supposed to let beans out his contract wipe his debt clean

And give beans his masters


So he can go over to g-unit to get attacked on record over and over and over


Remember “I know things that would make Beyoncé look at you differently”


But at the same time beans said he never hung out with Jay


Dilemma dilemma :yeshrug:
 
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Listened to as much as I could. Ness sounds like an idiot.

Jay (& R.O.C.) was one of the only industry figures to recognize the amount of lyrical talent that was in Philly, and put on 5-6 separate acts.

Who put on more rap artists from Philly than Jay Z?

They signed Beans, co-signed him to the fans, and put him in the best possible situation to succeed.

What Ness doesn't get about "they only pressed x amount of copies of his album" is that in the physical media era, artists would do showcases for record store buyers.
Preview their albums so the decision makers for the large record store chains could gauge what quantity of records to order.

I saw video of a showcase that Jay Z did when he was already a superstar, where he was playing the Lenny Kravitz collab record to these buyers, so they would be open to stocking the record in their stores.

Without crossover radio hit, or lead singles..there is NO way that record stores would order a million physical copies of a Beanie Sigel. And without huge first week sales, no way they would order more than what was already in stores.

The bonus "Anything" single bundled with Beans album was meant to boost his sales because it was from a bona fide superstar act, and not available anywhere else except on his album.

If I know this, as a fan, artist who was inside the industry should know this.

You forgot Ness sounds effeminate. How can any other man “hold you back”? I have to get to where I’m expected
 
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