Dumb Question: Is Israel A Legitimate Country
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Too much hilarity in this thread. Not even going to bother. 
Hussein Fonzarelli
The Whitey Corp.
I fukkin hate juice.
America was stolen tooYet i dont think that makes America any less legitimate of a country.
What that map of Israel and Judah shows is that the Jews have a historical claim to the land. Add in the wars which resulted in the massive losses suffered by the Arab states and there you have it... a legitimate nation state.
Sadly the map disclaims land size. Look at the map again to your modern version of the map. Judah isn't part of the Israel....therefor Israel is smaller than it claims today. Also Jerusalem isn't their capital it's Samaria.
You failed your own argument.
Real Talk of NY
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Sadly the map disclaims land size. Look at the map again to your modern version of the map. Judah isn't part of the Israel....therefor Israel is smaller than it claims today. Also Jerusalem isn't their capital it's Samaria.
You failed your own argument.
you know Judah was a sister Jewish state right. Led by some guy named King David. The same guy of David vs Goliath fame.
If I was a internation political figure in 1947 (
), I would have denied this demand because you don't give people a land based on a religious belief (Israel is "a jewish state"). It only makes sense if they are a nation before all.
But in 2012, it is as legit as any other country in the world.
), I would have denied this demand because you don't give people a land based on a religious belief (Israel is "a jewish state"). It only makes sense if they are a nation before all.But in 2012, it is as legit as any other country in the world.
TLOL is back
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If I was a internation political figure in 1947 (
But in 2012, it is as legit as any other country in the world.
The founders of Zionism were anti-theist Atheists, who based their claims on historical and contemporary factors. Jews, as an ethnic group, were not "given a state." They were given independence from British rule. A claim for independence they asked for after purchasing land legally and going through every appropriate legal measure of declaring independence.
Dusty Bake Activate
Fukk your corny debates
This shyt would've been worked out a long time ago if not for the religious element.
PewPew
I came from nothing
After a little reading, you're be right about the "jewish" meaning the ethnicity and not the religion. My bad then.
But, I don't get the land purchase, the Jews owned something like less than 6% of Palestine territory...
I think what led to the creation of the Israel state is more due to the massive migration of anti-semitism fearing European Jews and holocaust survivors to Palestine : this kinda forced the hand of the UN to create the state by partitionning Palestine.
And the British didn't gave them independance, they just terminated their mandate which was becoming unpopular in GB because of anti-british terrorism by Jews and they then let the U.N. decide about Palestine's future.
Facts leading to the Termination
United Nations Partition Plan for Palestine - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Land ownership figures
Mandatory Palestine - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
I know those are Wiki links but it seems accurate to me.
In the traditional sense NO, but in the white man's sense of hey you people of color were just going to move you out of here and say this ours now , YES.
Amare's Right Hook
Southeast World Champion
Yes, you mad ?
Numerous times the British following the Balfour Declaration decided that they wanted to aid the Jews in making Palestine their national home. There were revolts by the Palestinians over it time and again.
After a little reading, you're be right about the "jewish" meaning the ethnicity and not the religion. My bad then.
But, I don't get the land purchase, the Jews owned something like less than 6% of Palestine territory...
I think what led to the creation of the Israel state is more due to the massive migration of anti-semitism fearing European Jews and holocaust survivors to Palestine : this kinda forced the hand of the UN to create the state by partitionning Palestine.
And the British didn't gave them independance, they just terminated their mandate which was becoming unpopular in GB because of anti-british terrorism by Jews and they then let the U.N. decide about Palestine's future.
Facts leading to the Termination
United Nations Partition Plan for Palestine - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Land ownership figures
Mandatory Palestine - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
I know those are Wiki links but it seems accurate to me.
In following the revolts of the mid-30s the Peel Commission was set up and decided that the two peoples could not co-exist and that they should have their own homes. The Arabs states rejected the plan. This led to the 1939 White Paper that got rid of the two-state solution idea and was going to reward Palestine a state and keep the Jewish and Palestinian populations in proportion to what they were at the time.
The Arabs again refused. Eventually, The British would offer a plan that would stem Jewish immigration and allow for only a Palestinian state. This was reflective of a shift from being pro-Jewish to a reflection of Britain's rely on oil and the pressure the Arab states were putting on it. The Palestinians refused, they wanted no more Jewish immigration and Israeli terrorists bombed a British hotel killing numerous British individuals and greatly harming British sympathy towards Israel.
Jews had originally come to Palestine because of the pogroms in Europe, and it was ramped up by the Holocaust. Though sympathetic to the Jewish cause, most of the European states did not want to take in a large number of Jewish immigrants, and Jews did not want to return to places where they had been exterminated. This ramped up the move to Israel. The original Balflour Declaration of 1917 was a reflection of this sympathy towards Jews that would carry over into the next 30 years.
Once Britain grew tired and gave up its mandate, the UN partitioned the area in 1948 - backed heavily by a US that was pro-giving Israel a state. What we see today is a reflection of Israel taking up more land after every conflict and building settlements.
But it is true that Jews purchased all of the land in Palestine that they owned, but it was sometimes to the detriment of Palestinians back then. A lot of the time the land was sold to them by wealthy landowners who could care less about the rest of the people. They saw dollar signs. So a lot of that blame goes to Palestinian elite.
Sister State? LOL. Sorry homie your argument failed b/c it doesn't mention anything about "states" but kingdoms in that era....tribes were separated during the time...
1. Judah was burnt down by Rome.....
2. Where is historic documents on the years after leaving Judah in Europe?
3. If Canaan was debated on the map....Israel would be non-existed.