Hip-Hop-Bulls
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Wickedly legit would be the best way to put it.
Dumb Question: Is Israel A Legitimate Country
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88m3
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Circa 800 BC
Too bad that isn't accurate at all. Good job believing a map that was made up in modern times.
Prior to the UN-Partition Britain offered the Palestinians a system in which they would have dominion over the entire area and that Jewish immigration would have to be stopped in 10 years. They said no and wanted Jews to stop immigrating there immediately.
The British gave up and left it to the UN. The Partition then happened. They went to war and took an L. Then there was the six days war where all the arab states lost to Israel and in which Israel took even more land.
It goes on from there. Basically the maximalist demands from both sides are why they will fight forever. Israel demands the right to exist and is slowing phasing Palestine out by building more settlements. Palestinians demands the right of all of them to return, something Israel will never agree to because they are A) living in those areas now B) how do you determine who belonged where before those people fled and most of those people who originally fled are probably dead C) Palestinians have a higher growth rate than Israelis, within a generation or two they would have a large enough population to control the Knesset and effectively just vote to merge Israel and Palestine into 1 Palestinian state.
The British gave up and left it to the UN. The Partition then happened. They went to war and took an L. Then there was the six days war where all the arab states lost to Israel and in which Israel took even more land.
It goes on from there. Basically the maximalist demands from both sides are why they will fight forever. Israel demands the right to exist and is slowing phasing Palestine out by building more settlements. Palestinians demands the right of all of them to return, something Israel will never agree to because they are A) living in those areas now B) how do you determine who belonged where before those people fled and most of those people who originally fled are probably dead C) Palestinians have a higher growth rate than Israelis, within a generation or two they would have a large enough population to control the Knesset and effectively just vote to merge Israel and Palestine into 1 Palestinian state.
Broke Wave
The GOAT
What relevance does this have today? What relevance does this map have in 2012?
Should countries be partitioned based on this map too?
What a fallacious argument
It's irrelevant at this point. Both sides need to agree to a fair two state solution and quit making the block so damn hot.
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Broke Wave
The GOAT
One side has already agreed. The other side wants ethnic cleansing and the dissolution of the other sate.
It is what it is
Real Talk of NY
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What relevance does this have today? What relevance does this map have in 2012?
Should countries be partitioned based on this map too?
What a fallacious argument
What that map of Israel and Judah shows is that the Jews have a historical claim to the land. Add in the wars which resulted in the massive losses suffered by the Arab states and there you have it... a legitimate nation state.
88m3
Fast Money & Foreign Objects
One side has already agreed. The other side wants ethnic cleansing and the dissolution of the other sate.
It is what it is
Yeah it sucks Hamas feels that way.
Broke Wave
The GOAT
What that map of Israel and Judah shows is that the Jews have a historical claim to the land. Add in the wars which resulted in the massive losses suffered by the Arab states and there you have it... a legitimate nation state.
Israel is legitimate only based on the virtues of the 1947 UN partition plan, which also legitimizes a Palestinian state. Historical claim to the land is irrelevant, as I showed you with the map of the Roman Empire. Never mind the fact that the Palestinians have land receipts from the Ottoman Empire, I'm willing to dismiss all previous history as did the Israelis.
1967 and onward, the land claimed by Israel based on biblical grounds is totally illegitimate, and according to every international body, it is ILLEGAL.
In summary, "Israel" is only as legitimate as "Palestine", because their modern counterparts were conceived at the same time.
ADevilYouKhow
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Broke Wave
The GOAT
That's what the Palestinians want, that's what they deserve, and that is what the entire international community wants.
Lets enforce the international law that so many have died legitimizing.