Duck Dynasty: TV pastor points out demonic nature of homosexuality, liberals foam at mouth..
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it is prejudiced, and i assume everybody does it every time they channel surf and end up looking at something they have never seen before. you get a few bits of information (ethnicity, clothes, language, etc.) and then decide to turn the channel or keep watching based on the perceived likelihood of what you have just seen will be something you want to watch.
there is a difference between what zimmerman did (pose a threat to someone's civil rights and safety) and what i am proposing which is to put tv netowrks on notice early that their show features people some sector of the public just cant tolerate. according to the constitution, nobody should have the right to do what zimmerman did, but everyone does have the right to influence networks with protest
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i probably should clarify, i dont really want people protesting tv shows, my own response is just to quietly choose not to watch trash, but i am actually kind of annoyed with the whole dog and pony show that happens when somebody who you totally know beforehand thinks a certain way finally gets turned into a monster once he has the nerve to actually put it on record. i dont really know a perfect way for society at large to handle this, but i do know that i am growing fatigued with the scandal of the month event that happens with networks or celebrities in general, especially A&E. people should know by now that network has descended into trash tv.
this article seems to be hitting the nail on the head
http://entertainment.time.com/2013/12/18/duck-dynasty-phil-robertson-suspended/
Why Phil Robertson Got Suspended from Duck Dynasty
To some of the audience, the appeal was the family's "keeping it real" with their faith. Phil's anti-gay remarks made it way too real.
Read more: Why Duck Dynasty's Phil Robertson Got Suspended | TIME.com http://entertainment.time.com/2013/12/18/duck-dynasty-phil-robertson-suspended/#ixzz2o8T3pm8D
By James Poniewozik
When a media figure gets suspended for making an offensive statement, the tricky thing often is figuring out which part of it he or she got suspended for.
Star and duck-call mogul Phil Robertson of Duck Dynasty, for instance, was indefinitely suspended by A&E Wednesday after an interview with GQ in which he called homosexuality sinful — like, in his words, drunkenness, bestiality, promiscuity, and terrorism — and in specifically anatomical terms saying why he thought being gay was “illogical.”
But which was the actionable part? Was he suspended for believing that being gay is a sin? For saying it out loud? For saying it in those terms?
In TV, writers talk about getting notes from the network to “make the subtext text.” That is, rather than be subtle, or hint at the meaning of a scene or dialogue without saying it in so many words, you need to make it clear so that nobody in your audience misses it. Robertson got in trouble, for once in TV history, for making the subtext text — for being explicit about the conservative Christianity that, when it was subtext, was a selling point for him and for his show.
Now, I’m not saying that you have to be Christian or conservative to like Duck Dynasty. It’s a comedy — a reality comedy, but still a sitcom, with sitcom setups and zingers — you just have to think it’s funny. I’ve only watched a handful of Duck Dynasty episodes — sometimes funny, not really for me — but nothing in it was predicated on accepting eternal hellfire for breaking the strictures of Leviticus. And likewise, you don’t have to disdain gay people or think being gay will send you to Hell to be a Christian — many, many Christians, some of them gay Christians, prove otherwise.
But for at least part of the huge Duck Dynasty audience, the Robertsons’ faith is part of the appeal: the fact that they’re public, devout Christians with a public platform, even if their faith was mostly background to the zany family antics. They might not be preaching, but if you cared enough you knew: they were keeping it real. And then there was the part of the show’s vibe that was less religious than cultural, but was still connected: that the show was about nostalgia, for the authentic ways, old days, and down-home values.
There were enough of all kinds of fans — family viewers and comedy fans and fans of the culture — to make the show a massive cable hit. As long as the subtext was subtext. But with Phil doing an interview in a national magazine, talking gay people, anuses, damnation — oh, and how the Japanese fought us in WWII because they didn’t have Jesus? [Update: As well as his pull-quoted remarks on "pre-entitlement" black people in the pre-civil rights South--"they were happy; no one was singing the blues."]
That presents a problem. Now, you’ve got an issue with those of us who maybe just want to watch a family comedy about people outside a major city, but please without supporting somebody thumping gay people with their Bible. Or a problem with people with gay friends, or family, or, you know, actual gay A&E viewers.
And, once you take any kind of action on that, you’ve got the opposite problem — with deeply religious viewers who like the Robertsons for their faith. They’re going to see it as you punishing him for saying out loud what he believes, and maybe for what they themselves believe, and what they believe is the word of God. You’re punishing him, in their eyes, for being one of them.
As text rather than subtext, the stuff Phil thinks and says creates an irreconcilable problem. Which is why A&E is maybe trying to solve that problem by putting Phil on a “hiatus” from filming, because what exactly does that mean and how does it work? Is A&E going to put out a season of Duck Dynasty in which we just kind of forget that one of the family members exists? Or is this a “hiatus” that blows over once everyone forgets about this, Phil puts out some kind of crafted statement, and allows for the shooting of a full normal Duck Dynasty season? You know, like the exact same thing we would get if A&E didn’t do anything at all?
I can’t read A&E’s executives’ minds, of course, but there are other options. You can decide that what Phil said was bigoted and not something you want to be associated with, period. Or you can decide that it’s what he believes, and people can exercise their God-given right never to watch Duck Dynasty instead if they so choose.
Or you realize that things have gotten really uncomfortable, make an announcement that says you’re doing something, and wait for the text to become subtext again.
this article seems to be hitting the nail on the head
http://entertainment.time.com/2013/12/18/duck-dynasty-phil-robertson-suspended/
Why Phil Robertson Got Suspended from Duck Dynasty
To some of the audience, the appeal was the family's "keeping it real" with their faith. Phil's anti-gay remarks made it way too real.
Read more: Why Duck Dynasty's Phil Robertson Got Suspended | TIME.com http://entertainment.time.com/2013/12/18/duck-dynasty-phil-robertson-suspended/#ixzz2o8T3pm8D
By James Poniewozik
When a media figure gets suspended for making an offensive statement, the tricky thing often is figuring out which part of it he or she got suspended for.
Star and duck-call mogul Phil Robertson of Duck Dynasty, for instance, was indefinitely suspended by A&E Wednesday after an interview with GQ in which he called homosexuality sinful — like, in his words, drunkenness, bestiality, promiscuity, and terrorism — and in specifically anatomical terms saying why he thought being gay was “illogical.”
But which was the actionable part? Was he suspended for believing that being gay is a sin? For saying it out loud? For saying it in those terms?
In TV, writers talk about getting notes from the network to “make the subtext text.” That is, rather than be subtle, or hint at the meaning of a scene or dialogue without saying it in so many words, you need to make it clear so that nobody in your audience misses it. Robertson got in trouble, for once in TV history, for making the subtext text — for being explicit about the conservative Christianity that, when it was subtext, was a selling point for him and for his show.
Now, I’m not saying that you have to be Christian or conservative to like Duck Dynasty. It’s a comedy — a reality comedy, but still a sitcom, with sitcom setups and zingers — you just have to think it’s funny. I’ve only watched a handful of Duck Dynasty episodes — sometimes funny, not really for me — but nothing in it was predicated on accepting eternal hellfire for breaking the strictures of Leviticus. And likewise, you don’t have to disdain gay people or think being gay will send you to Hell to be a Christian — many, many Christians, some of them gay Christians, prove otherwise.
But for at least part of the huge Duck Dynasty audience, the Robertsons’ faith is part of the appeal: the fact that they’re public, devout Christians with a public platform, even if their faith was mostly background to the zany family antics. They might not be preaching, but if you cared enough you knew: they were keeping it real. And then there was the part of the show’s vibe that was less religious than cultural, but was still connected: that the show was about nostalgia, for the authentic ways, old days, and down-home values.
There were enough of all kinds of fans — family viewers and comedy fans and fans of the culture — to make the show a massive cable hit. As long as the subtext was subtext. But with Phil doing an interview in a national magazine, talking gay people, anuses, damnation — oh, and how the Japanese fought us in WWII because they didn’t have Jesus? [Update: As well as his pull-quoted remarks on "pre-entitlement" black people in the pre-civil rights South--"they were happy; no one was singing the blues."]
That presents a problem. Now, you’ve got an issue with those of us who maybe just want to watch a family comedy about people outside a major city, but please without supporting somebody thumping gay people with their Bible. Or a problem with people with gay friends, or family, or, you know, actual gay A&E viewers.
And, once you take any kind of action on that, you’ve got the opposite problem — with deeply religious viewers who like the Robertsons for their faith. They’re going to see it as you punishing him for saying out loud what he believes, and maybe for what they themselves believe, and what they believe is the word of God. You’re punishing him, in their eyes, for being one of them.
As text rather than subtext, the stuff Phil thinks and says creates an irreconcilable problem. Which is why A&E is maybe trying to solve that problem by putting Phil on a “hiatus” from filming, because what exactly does that mean and how does it work? Is A&E going to put out a season of Duck Dynasty in which we just kind of forget that one of the family members exists? Or is this a “hiatus” that blows over once everyone forgets about this, Phil puts out some kind of crafted statement, and allows for the shooting of a full normal Duck Dynasty season? You know, like the exact same thing we would get if A&E didn’t do anything at all?
I can’t read A&E’s executives’ minds, of course, but there are other options. You can decide that what Phil said was bigoted and not something you want to be associated with, period. Or you can decide that it’s what he believes, and people can exercise their God-given right never to watch Duck Dynasty instead if they so choose.
Or you realize that things have gotten really uncomfortable, make an announcement that says you’re doing something, and wait for the text to become subtext again.
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everyone's got their roles to play then there's editing to make to exaggerate their parts. they send it plants with the merchandise.
who can really be themselves with cameras and camera crew on them 24-7?
also in that business like 80% of the time you time you gotta be dishonest to make money. you pretty much have to take advantage of ppl who don't know what they have.
don't ask me how
like i said the shows are entertaining the way they're put together. but at the end of the day it's just entertainment.
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Fukk your corny debates
Dude should have his own sub-subforum in the bushes.
Yes cacs please interpret our happiness for us. We dont know how we feel until you put it into perspective for us. Cacs alays talking about what black people are doing is going to be the main thing that makes them obsolete. It aint us you gotta worry about. Worry bout them asians and mexicans.
is this muthafukka for real
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it amazes me that niccas like him and allen west have followers who really love them. i mean i can't knock their hustle. and wonder are they playing a role for the money/attention/fame or do they really believe what they say..
we're fuqqed. instead of getting into engineering, IT, medicine we've concentrated too much in music and athletics. now white folks can create robots like him to appear human.
that nicca can't be real. there must be something white folks injected him to speak the sh1t he be sayin..
the coli account is obviously a troll account. but the youtube account is believeable.
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A & E is scared of offending homosexuals and losing money.
George Carlin was the fukkin man for real
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Pre Civil Rights/integration Blacks were under legal prosecution since we were brought here. When ever we kept to ourselves, the racist Whites did everything in their power to ensure we failed. From the West's several year long embargo of Haiti after Haiti's revolt (effectively making Haiti the backwater country it is today) to Black Wall Street being burnt to the ground and handwaved away as if it were some petty riot, it was never a good time for Blacks.
I honestly dont know why so many black folks buy into the racist white "good ole days" Pax Americana bullshyt. I dont see the value in "being together" when the powers that be have forced us into ghettos and developed laws that effectively made Blacks 2nd class citizens. As history has shown, the powerful will always shyt on few if given the chance.... laws like the Civil Rights bill sets up a weak roadblock so at the very least we can see it coming. So yes, the lack of knowledge has destroyed our people.
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Was nice seeing OP get shytted on the first few pages.
Couldn't help it that the gay liberal crusaders decided to tag team me in an attempt to troll the thread to oblivion. Gladly, quality posters stepped in to engender quality debate.
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This is how a lot of whites justify the disgusting history of this country though. "Slavery wasn't that bad, I mean the blacks were happy, I didn't hear one complaint". Motherfukker, it's cause they were scared cause y'all were lynching them, burning them alive, dragging them, hosing them down, beating them so why exactly would they act like they were anything but happy around another cracker?
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