Draymond: “Old fvcks” need to accept Bron>>>MJ

[Gotright]

not in the real world.

nobody has LeBron up there with MJ aside from ESPN.

Lol actually the only people that don’t got him up there with mike is one Delusional Stan ass base

 

[Saysumthinfunnymike]

It’s all preference regardless.

no it's not.. LeBron has no case.

 

[Po pimp]

Draymond was born in 1990. He can’t speak on MJ.

 

[jaydawg08]

not in the real world.

nobody has LeBron up there with MJ aside from ESPN.

"WOAT"

 

[Shadow King]

It's not a negative to play longer, but if it takes you 20 years to break records that dudes set in 11 years then its a negative...had lebron passed those records in fewer seasons or even 1-3 extra seasons it's different. And this year so far and last year have been pretty meaningless stat stuff seasons

LeBron passed Mike in scoring a while ago, and he wasn't the record holder. Kareem played 20 years to have the record himself. If you're referring to passing Magic, yes, this is why Magic is the GOAT PG, but a wing who's been tasked with being the #1 scorer on his team every single year being #6 and eventually Top 5/4/3 in assists is impressive regardless of time or not. The actual record holder for assists played 20 years as well.

 

[murksiderock]

all fukking facts.

And you're in your late-40s, correct? So you saw Mike play...

As I've shared before, my dad was born in 1965. He was 18 going on 19 when he saw Mike's Heels lose in person to Arkansas in '84, and thereafter followed his entire career. Most pro-Mike posters here didn't see Mike's entire career but uphold him as GOAT; my pops was watching college and pro ball before Mike, saw his entire career start to finish...

My dad has been saying for years that Mike and Bron are equals, probably for over a dozen years. Pointing out the breaks Mike got in his career compared to Bron probably for a dozen years. My dad also doesn't think there's a large gap from Mike to anyone in vicinity---->Kobe, Magic, Bird, etc. And he's not even a fan of most guys, he's a Dr J Stan...

My pops is only one man, and he has an opinion in the minority. But he is not the only brother I've met, who don't find Mike as greater than Bron, or others, and we know there are old nikkas who share this view because we know how Wilt and Oscar and Zeke and Kareem and The Doctor feel...

You know what side I'm on, I just wanted to point out again that there are older brothers who don't view Mike as this deity above anyone ever, older brothers who watched Mike's whole career and other All-Timers before him...

Again, Dray going to ring this bell til the day he dies. Klutch, biz partners, homies, and then of course he can say "look, I played the 'GOAT' 4 times and have 3 rings against him" just like Lebron will keep parroting the 73-9 team was the "best team ever" so he can say "I came back from 3-1 on the best team ever"

It's a mutual self serving circle jerk

It's always hilarious how you nikkas ignore the circle jerking Mike heads, who've been slurping Mike for far longer and on more mediums than anyone else who people support in lieu of Mike...

Resume = MJ
Longevity/Durability = Bron
Scoring = MJ
Passing = Bron
Rebounding = Bron

Defense = even...both could be elite but were limited because they had to carry the load on offense

"Clutch"/Intangibles = MJ
FT Shooting = MJ
3 PT shooting = ??? MJ didn't take many, hard to judge

I think MJ was a better player while Bron is more versatile. Wilt is better than both for raw talent.

Starting a team? I might pick Bron because he can cover more flaws on my squad.

Defense isn't equal. No elite defense was ever anchored around Michael Jordan, ever. They are not in the same tier defensively...

I also don't know that clutch factor is Mike. I know that Mike never had an '11 Finals but Mike also doesn't have the volume of game winners and crunch time baskets Bron has. The best argument for Mike is that he doesn't have an '11 Finals equivalent...

Bron has more big moments in gutcheck time on BOTH ends of the court, period...

The gap in scoring between the two is exaggerated too. Bron has scored 30 in the postseason 6x, if he ever made it a priority to be a score-first guy he'd have at least 8 scoring titles, and he can score from every zone on the floor. Mike was the more polished scorer, "cleaner", but the gap between the two is exaggerated. When LeBron needed to, or chose to, go into kill mode on the scoring tip, show me when and who could neutralize him...

 

[murksiderock]

If you continuously have to "explain" how Lebron is supposedly better than MJ maybe that means something

You never see Jordan fans pleading his GOAT case like this. That’s for a reason

Both yall nikkas lying ..

timing

you'd only be able to see clearly who the superior is in direct competition

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This common sense and we've been saying it for years...

not in the real world.

nobody has LeBron up there with MJ aside from ESPN.

BSPN says Mike is over Bron, stop it. nikkas who support Bron in this convo aren't getting their cues from BSPN, but there are certainly Mike heads who could've gotten their stance from the mass cultural brainwashing of Mike as GOAT...

 

[Shadow King]

The biggest argument people use for Bron to be the greatest is the reason he isn't in my opinion. People always go with "he beat the greatest team ever". Well yeah you can't beat the greatest team ever when your team is the juggernauts. The Bulls were the big bad and dominated their era. Lebron has never been on a flat out dominant team and his teams were never the juggernauts. So how is Lebron the GOAT without leading GOAT teams?

Plus it ain't like the 80s Celtics team he lost to or those Pistons teams not some of the greatest too? Those Pistons teams were just as good as the Celtics and Lakers teams that many consider GOAT teams and MJ was fighting tooth and nail with them and eventually toppled the Pistons.

The Heat weren't dominant now?

 

[threattonature]

The Heat weren't dominant now?

No. The Celtics had them on the ropes in 2011 and it took 7 to beat them and It took the miracle Ray Allen three to win the other title. They had no runs where they just crushed everybody through the playoffs. Every dominant team had at least one playoff run where they didn't reach a game 7, so no I wouldn't put them as a dominant team.

 

[BigTyme Records]

I agree Bron >MJ

Just can do more on the court

 

[Shadow King]

No. The Celtics had them on the ropes in 2011 and it took 7 to beat them and It took the miracle Ray Allen three to win the other title. They had no runs where they just crushed everybody through the playoffs. Every dominant team had at least one playoff run where they didn't reach a game 7, so no I wouldn't put them as a dominant team.

Yet the teams that pushed the Bulls to 7 and somtimes even 6 games get cited as to why Mike dominated a falsely strong East

The Heat were poorly/thinly built due to salary cap being chewed up by their Top 3 players but they were dominant for at least their 2 chip seasons and arguably Year 1. Plenty of dominant teams had a 7 game series in a run or dealt with a moment of adversity.

 

[High quality poster]

I agree Bron >MJ

Just can do more on the court

Like lose

 

[High quality poster]

All that dikkriding dray been doing for Lebron

 

[Buckeye Fever]

Lakers better make the playoffs, and I ain't talkin about that play-in shyt either.

 

[Walt]

Dray's an annoying nikka, man.