I'm not taking offense to anything, you suggested that the guests and Don Lemon genuinely enjoy Empire and I'm suggesting that crackheads genuinely enjoy crack.
Dr. Watkins Speaks On Empire/Media Propaganda (NEW)
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I'm not taking offense to anything, you suggested that the guests and Don Lemon genuinely enjoy Empire and I'm suggesting that crackheads genuinely enjoy crack.
OfTheCross
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What's one got to do with the other?
Because what I'm saying with my suggestion is that they're not c0oning or propagating maliciously.
I don't understand what you're saying with the crack head analogy or how it relates
But thats what Im talking about...everything becomes ciruclar, and reverts back to systemic racism and suffocates any sort of black expression or participation in society. What does systemic racism have to do with Empire? These characters on Empire are multi-dimensional and American --- they just happen to be black. This is why the show is so popular --- its resonating witht the general public, and touching on themes and imagery that is animating their interest.
But what people like Dr. Boyce is doing is saying that no black people cant make exciting and entertaining television like everyone else because "systemtic racism"...so I guess black people can only promote imagery where they are the most exceptional of humans without flaws, so that nobody is offended. Basically sht that wouldnt make money. Its to say that black shouldnt be human, and reflect the norms of society.
This is how racism becomes a double effect on black people, and further restricts our ability in our pursuits. We always have to be dragged down by this oppressive obsession with race.
I agree. I think the success of those two shows will lead to a "black television renaissance" so to speak. But with that is gonna come a couple more Empires. We just have to prepare for that. I also don't think we should be that upset that it does numbers compared to a blackish or whatever "high brow" black show we hopefully get in the future cause black people are still American and Americans always enjoy the more low brow entertainment. It's why shows like Mad Men will never sniff the numbers that Walking Dead does.
Blackout
just your usual nerdy brotha
The only way we can get somewhere is if our people do not sell out.
Maybe even slip in a few respectable characters here and there.
There is need for variety no matter how minimal.
Not selling out is important though. We can have a bunch of shows like empire but if it doesn't stay in black hands then it will all end up like BET
I don't follow. Who's selling out?
Blackout
just your usual nerdy brotha
I'm saying that we should not sell out if more black shows come into existence.
True.
Obsession with race ain't the issue
.... It's the actual racist practices of the media that's the issue...The message being sent is manipulated and controlled by one voice... I do agree with your point that Black folks having to be hyper-aware of the image that they are portraying is stifling to our creativity. I am not familiar with Dr. Boyce's point of view but I definitely understand why people want a plethora of Black personalities, dispositions, and experiences in the forefront
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OfTheCross
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Lol. This offends you somehow?
Bruh, that's Hitch meets Oceans 11 meets American Hustle
What's the big deal? The fact that the leading man is black?
Lucious is lucifer(Angel of Music) and the shyt was so blatant in that first episode it was almost insulting my intelligence...that's all he cares about is the music.
Funny that one scene with him and Jamal and he couldn't play the keyboard and he called him a fraud, until he picked up the guitar and started too play the strings...what was the devils supposed instrument of choice(the violin).
One quote now watch who she listens too your god or your daddy
But it's all entertainment I'm just bullshytting
Funny that one scene with him and Jamal and he couldn't play the keyboard and he called him a fraud, until he picked up the guitar and started too play the strings...what was the devils supposed instrument of choice(the violin).
One quote now watch who she listens too your god or your daddy
But it's all entertainment I'm just bullshytting
Cabbage Patch
The Media scene in V is for Vendetta is the clue
That's why I feel sad when folks (usually black women, I don't get that) on forums dismiss that.
This doesn't offend me, it just lends credence to what Dr. Watkins is saying about the roles available to Black people.