Dr. Tommy Curry - Failure of Black Studies and Intersectionality

[Indiglow Meta (R$G)]

https://bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/vi.pdf

Page 5: Female murder victims are substantially more likely than male murder victims to have been killed by an intimate. From 1976-96, 18.9% of women victims were murdered by husbands, 1.4% by ex-husbands, and 9.4.% by non marital partners. Over the same period, 3.7% of male victims were killed by wives,0.2% by ex-wives, and 2.0% by non marital partners

Page 6: Intimate murders accounted for 30% of all female murders and 6% of all male murders. the 32,580 spouses who were murder victims between 1976 and 1996, about 6 in 10 were women.


More important:

Let's evaluate this much toted quote supposedly proving black women violence:

Page 8: Between 1976 and 1989 more black men were killed by their wives than black women were killed by their husbands.

No one seems to quote the rest of that paragraph of:After 1990 the order was reversed, and the murder rate among black wives and ex-wives was higher than that among black husbands and ex-husbands.

Also page 8: The decline in the rate of intimate murder among black husbands/ex-husbands has been greater than for any other category of intimate murder victims.



Also, the study shows some drastic number changes

Page 7 : In 1976 the per capita rate of intimate murders among blacks was nearly 11 times that among whites; But in 1996 the black rate was just over 4 times higher than the white rate.

also


In 1976 the per capita rate of intimate murder of black men was nearly 19 times higher than that of white men. The rate among black females that year was 7 times higher than the rate among white females. In 1996 the black male rate was 8 times that of white males, and the black female rate was 3 times higher than the white female rate.

Page vii: The National Crime Victimization Survey (NCVS), which gathers data on criminal victimization from a national sample was started in 1972. But in the late 80's (86 on) the Bureau of Justice Statistics (BJS), sought to improve the NCVS components to enhance the measurement of crimes including rape,sexual assault, and intimate and family violence. A new questionnaire was created and it was phased in from January 1992 through June 1993. This new questionnaire provided a higher estimated counts of incidents of intimate violence than the old questionnaire

Data on their own without proper interpretation is useless.

He emphasized that part to show that black women are complicit in domestic violence acts, PERIOD.
It's part of a cycle of violence. You are not part of that community.
Is the per capita rate of black males being violent toward black men equal or greater to white men? NO?
You took that long for this? This was your "coup de grace"? You gave us NOTHING.

 

[Ya?]

I know why he emphasized that part...and I simply stated the data he is using to make his point is not a good one.

When the source says a data is not accurate. Then any point you are trying to make using it is invalid.

 

[Poitier]

You must not think anyone was going to read this study, eh? lol.

Screenshots incoming.

 

[AlainLocke]

https://bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/vi.pdf

Page 5: Female murder victims are substantially more likely than male murder victims to have been killed by an intimate. From 1976-96, 18.9% of women victims were murdered by husbands, 1.4% by ex-husbands, and 9.4.% by non marital partners. Over the same period, 3.7% of male victims were killed by wives,0.2% by ex-wives, and 2.0% by non marital partners

Page 6: Intimate murders accounted for 30% of all female murders and 6% of all male murders. the 32,580 spouses who were murder victims between 1976 and 1996, about 6 in 10 were women.


More important:

Let's evaluate this much toted quote supposedly proving black women violence:

Page 8: Between 1976 and 1989 more black men were killed by their wives than black women were killed by their husbands.

No one seems to quote the rest of that paragraph of:After 1990 the order was reversed, and the murder rate among black wives and ex-wives was higher than that among black husbands and ex-husbands.

Also page 8: The decline in the rate of intimate murder among black husbands/ex-husbands has been greater than for any other category of intimate murder victims.



Also, the study shows some drastic number changes

Page 7 : In 1976 the per capita rate of intimate murders among blacks was nearly 11 times that among whites; But in 1996 the black rate was just over 4 times higher than the white rate.

also


In 1976 the per capita rate of intimate murder of black men was nearly 19 times higher than that of white men. The rate among black females that year was 7 times higher than the rate among white females. In 1996 the black male rate was 8 times that of white males, and the black female rate was 3 times higher than the white female rate.

Page vii: The National Crime Victimization Survey (NCVS), which gathers data on criminal victimization from a national sample was started in 1972. But in the late 80's (86 on) the Bureau of Justice Statistics (BJS), sought to improve the NCVS components to enhance the measurement of crimes including rape,sexual assault, and intimate and family violence. A new questionnaire was created and it was phased in from January 1992 through June 1993. This new questionnaire provided a higher estimated counts of incidents of intimate violence than the old questionnaire

Data on their own without proper interpretation is useless.

You are missing the point......

Black women kill their spouses throughout history at a similar rate...

Released in 1994

https://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/press/mif.pr
A male was the assailant in about two-thirds of family murders.
However, among black marital partners, wives killed their husbands
at about the same rate as husbands killed their wives--47 percent
of the black spouse victims were husbands and 53 percent were
wives. Among white victims murdered by their spouses, 38 percent
of the victims were husbands and 62 percent were wives.



And of course there is gonna be drastic number changes, crime has been dropping in America for decades now...

Comparing murder rates in the middle of the biggest crime waves in the USA....talking about Heroin and Crack Era...

It's gonna be different....

His point is...

Black people are violent due to poverty.

Poverty creates violence. Black women are no less violent than Black men when it comes to domestic situations.

Perceiving domestic violence or violence in general as a man problem, that men need to be taught not to beat women up, is hiding the problem.


Saying things like Black men are the biggest threat to Black women...

When in reality if a Black man gets married to a White woman...he's actually safer than if a Black woman gets with a White man if we just gonna look at data...

 

[Poitier]

Dr. Tommy Curry's main argument is domestic violence is bidirectional, a product of generational racism, and higher than our White counterparts.

Both are true, according to your very own quote:

In 1976 the per capita rate of intimate murder of black men was nearly 19 times higher than that of white men. The rate among black females that year was 7 times higher than the rate among white females. In 1996 the black male rate was 8 times that of white males, and the black female rate was 3 times higher than the white female rate.

Why did you omit the parts about Black women being victims of intimate violence declining sharply?

More important:

Let's evaluate this much toted quote supposedly proving black women violence:

Page 8: Between 1976 and 1989 more black men were killed by their wives than black women were killed by their husbands.

No one seems to quote the rest of that paragraph of:After 1990 the order was reversed, and the murder rate among black wives and ex-wives was higher than that among black husbands and ex-husbands.

Also page 8: The decline in the rate of intimate murder among black husbands/ex-husbands has been greater than for any other category of intimate murder victims..

 

[AlainLocke]

And here's another one....and I suggest everyone to read this whole thing.

CDC Study: More Men than Women Victims of Partner Abuse

SUMMARY: According to a 2010 national survey by the Centers for Disease Control and Department of Justice, in the last 12 months more men than women were victims of intimate partner physical violence and over 40% of severe physical violence was directed at men. Men were also more often the victim of psychological aggression and control over sexual or reproductive health. Despite this, few services are available to male victims of intimate partner violence.

More men than women were victims of intimate partner physical violence within the past year, according to a national study funded by the Centers for Disease Control and U.S. Department of Justice. According to the National Intimate Partner and Sexual Violence Survey (hereinafter NISVS) released in December, 2011, within the last 12 months an estimated 5,365,000 men and 4,741,000 women were victims of intimate partner physical violence. (Black, M.C. et al., 2011, Tables 4.1 and 4.2) 1 This finding contrasts to the earlier National Violence Against Women Survey (Tjaden, P. G., & Thoennes, N., 2000)(hereinafter NVAWS), which estimated that 1.2 million women and 835,000 men were victims of intimate partner physical violence in the preceding 12 months. (One-year prevalence “are considered to be more accurate [than lifetime rates] because they do not depend on recall of events long past” (Straus, 2005, p. 60))

If one adds in rape (606,000 victims) the total is 5,427,000 women-but there is an issue of double-counting of an incident as both rape and intimate partner physical violence. 2 Of the lifetime rape victims, 82.8% were also victims of physical violence. This suggests that a sizeable portion of the 606,000 rape victims are included in the 5,427,000 physical violence victims. But even if one ignores the double-counting of rape and physical violence, the number of female victims of rape and/or physical violence is 5,427,000 for women, contrasted with 5,365,000 male victims of physical violence, so it is safe to say that about half of the victims of physical violence are men.

There is a significant difference between the NVAWS and NISVS surveys, in the number of victims of physical violence (4,741,000 vs. 1,300,000 women and 5,365,000 vs. 835,000 men), for which I have no explanation. In the 2001 NVAWS survey, some 38% of the victims of intimate physical violence were men, but in the 2011 NISVS survey 53% were men. This is consistent with earlier studies showing that between 1975 and 1992 (Straus and Gelles, 1988, Straus, 1995), between 1998 and 2005 (Catalano , 2005) and between 2009 and 2010 (Truman, 2011, Table 6) violence against women dropped but violence against males stayed steady. (As a point of reference, Statistics Canada (2006, 2011) reports that 45.5% of the victims of present or former spousal violence were men. The 2010 National Crime Victimization Survey (Truman, 2011, Table 5) shows only 407,700 female and 101,530 male victims of intimate partner violence: for women that’s less than a tenth of the victims reported in NISVS.)

This ratio of men to woman victims of intimate partner physical violence is not reported in the Executive Summary or other fact sheets of the NISVS survey. Instead, the NISVS focuses on severe physical violence-but omits a major contributor to severe physical violence against men reported in the earlier NVAWS survey. Some 21.6% of the male victims in that 2001 survey were threatened with a knife, contrasted to 12.7% of the women (Hoff, 2001, Table 1). The NISVS omission of threats by knife or gun is not only curious, but it flies in the face of the Centers for Disease Control’s own recommendations on data for intimate partner violence (Salzman, T. et al, 1999) The section of that document that covers the victim’s experience of intimate partner violence includes sections on sexual violence, physical violence, threats of physical or sexual violence and “psychological / emotional abuse.” (Salzman, T., 1999, §3.3) 3 But NISVS survey respondents were not asked about being threatened with a knife or gun.

Notwithstanding that omission, the NISVS 2011 survey reports that in the last 12 months, 41.7% of the victims of severe physical violence were men. (Tables 4.7 and 4.8) 4 Of the 4,741,000 female victims of violence, two-thirds (3,163,000 or 66.7%) were subjected to severe physical violence. (Table 4.7) For men, over 4 out of 10 (2,266,000 or 42.3%) were subjected to severe physical violence. The number of men is smaller, but that is still 2.26 million men. Well over $1 billion is spent to help female victims, but there are virtually no services available in the country for over 2 million men who are victims of severe physical violence by an intimate partner.

Studies show that men are less likely than women to seek help, and those that do have to overcome internal and external hurdles. (Galdas et al., 2005)(Cook 2009)

There has been little research on responses to male victims of intimate partner violence, in part because agencies refuse to fund such research. For example, the U.S. Department of Justice solicitation of proposals for Justice Responses to Intimate Partner Violence and Stalking (p. 8) stated “What will not be funded: 4. Proposals for research on intimate partner violence against, or stalking of, males of any age or females under the age of 12.” In the few studies done, many men report that hotline workers say they only help women, imply or state the men must be the instigators, ridicule them or refer them to batterers’ programs. Police often will fail to respond, ridicule the man or arrest him. (Cook 2009)(Douglas and Hines, 2011)


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So if we got a rough perception that White female partners are less violent than Black female partners...

And Black men that are more likely to be victims of abuse if they are with a Black woman than White males with White women....

And Black men are mostly with Black women and vice versa....

Can we make the assumption, since there appears to be no data on this, that Black males make up a hefty percentage of male victims of domestic violence?


I got hella data and studies that show Black women to be equal aggressors to Black men or even greater aggressors than Black men and that Black males suffer intimate partner violence from Black women starting in high school...

The feminist industry and you right it's an industry don't want people to know that women can be aggressive and dangerous. That women often times are the abusers and the men don't even know it's abuse because they have no concept of it. That's less money for female power. Female power has been predicated on being victims of men and oppressed by men.

shyt we still got men saying that women can't rape men...

Dr. Tommy Curry isn't trying to be mister data scientist and finding the perfect set of data....

He's trying to create a paradigm where Black men and boys aren't perceived as this aggressive beast that is terrorizing other Black men and Black females and he's saying that Black women and their feminist shyt isn't helping. And that Black feminists or whatever they wanna call themselves are saying Jim Crow, Confederacy about shyt Black men that isn't true.

That they can't even conceive of a situation where Black women are in positions of power and privilege and using it to oppress Black men is crazy but they think Black men are the White men of the Black population lol.

 

[Indiglow Meta (R$G)]

And here's another one....and I suggest everyone to read this whole thing.

CDC Study: More Men than Women Victims of Partner Abuse

SUMMARY: According to a 2010 national survey by the Centers for Disease Control and Department of Justice, in the last 12 months more men than women were victims of intimate partner physical violence and over 40% of severe physical violence was directed at men. Men were also more often the victim of psychological aggression and control over sexual or reproductive health. Despite this, few services are available to male victims of intimate partner violence.

More men than women were victims of intimate partner physical violence within the past year, according to a national study funded by the Centers for Disease Control and U.S. Department of Justice. According to the National Intimate Partner and Sexual Violence Survey (hereinafter NISVS) released in December, 2011, within the last 12 months an estimated 5,365,000 men and 4,741,000 women were victims of intimate partner physical violence. (Black, M.C. et al., 2011, Tables 4.1 and 4.2) 1 This finding contrasts to the earlier National Violence Against Women Survey (Tjaden, P. G., & Thoennes, N., 2000)(hereinafter NVAWS), which estimated that 1.2 million women and 835,000 men were victims of intimate partner physical violence in the preceding 12 months. (One-year prevalence “are considered to be more accurate [than lifetime rates] because they do not depend on recall of events long past” (Straus, 2005, p. 60))

If one adds in rape (606,000 victims) the total is 5,427,000 women-but there is an issue of double-counting of an incident as both rape and intimate partner physical violence. 2 Of the lifetime rape victims, 82.8% were also victims of physical violence. This suggests that a sizeable portion of the 606,000 rape victims are included in the 5,427,000 physical violence victims. But even if one ignores the double-counting of rape and physical violence, the number of female victims of rape and/or physical violence is 5,427,000 for women, contrasted with 5,365,000 male victims of physical violence, so it is safe to say that about half of the victims of physical violence are men.

There is a significant difference between the NVAWS and NISVS surveys, in the number of victims of physical violence (4,741,000 vs. 1,300,000 women and 5,365,000 vs. 835,000 men), for which I have no explanation. In the 2001 NVAWS survey, some 38% of the victims of intimate physical violence were men, but in the 2011 NISVS survey 53% were men. This is consistent with earlier studies showing that between 1975 and 1992 (Straus and Gelles, 1988, Straus, 1995), between 1998 and 2005 (Catalano , 2005) and between 2009 and 2010 (Truman, 2011, Table 6) violence against women dropped but violence against males stayed steady. (As a point of reference, Statistics Canada (2006, 2011) reports that 45.5% of the victims of present or former spousal violence were men. The 2010 National Crime Victimization Survey (Truman, 2011, Table 5) shows only 407,700 female and 101,530 male victims of intimate partner violence: for women that’s less than a tenth of the victims reported in NISVS.)

This ratio of men to woman victims of intimate partner physical violence is not reported in the Executive Summary or other fact sheets of the NISVS survey. Instead, the NISVS focuses on severe physical violence-but omits a major contributor to severe physical violence against men reported in the earlier NVAWS survey. Some 21.6% of the male victims in that 2001 survey were threatened with a knife, contrasted to 12.7% of the women (Hoff, 2001, Table 1). The NISVS omission of threats by knife or gun is not only curious, but it flies in the face of the Centers for Disease Control’s own recommendations on data for intimate partner violence (Salzman, T. et al, 1999) The section of that document that covers the victim’s experience of intimate partner violence includes sections on sexual violence, physical violence, threats of physical or sexual violence and “psychological / emotional abuse.” (Salzman, T., 1999, §3.3) 3 But NISVS survey respondents were not asked about being threatened with a knife or gun.

Notwithstanding that omission, the NISVS 2011 survey reports that in the last 12 months, 41.7% of the victims of severe physical violence were men. (Tables 4.7 and 4.8) 4 Of the 4,741,000 female victims of violence, two-thirds (3,163,000 or 66.7%) were subjected to severe physical violence. (Table 4.7) For men, over 4 out of 10 (2,266,000 or 42.3%) were subjected to severe physical violence. The number of men is smaller, but that is still 2.26 million men. Well over $1 billion is spent to help female victims, but there are virtually no services available in the country for over 2 million men who are victims of severe physical violence by an intimate partner.

Studies show that men are less likely than women to seek help, and those that do have to overcome internal and external hurdles. (Galdas et al., 2005)(Cook 2009)

There has been little research on responses to male victims of intimate partner violence, in part because agencies refuse to fund such research. For example, the U.S. Department of Justice solicitation of proposals for Justice Responses to Intimate Partner Violence and Stalking (p. 8) stated “What will not be funded: 4. Proposals for research on intimate partner violence against, or stalking of, males of any age or females under the age of 12.” In the few studies done, many men report that hotline workers say they only help women, imply or state the men must be the instigators, ridicule them or refer them to batterers’ programs. Police often will fail to respond, ridicule the man or arrest him. (Cook 2009)(Douglas and Hines, 2011)


------------------

So if we got a rough perception that White female partners are less violent than Black female partners...

And Black men that are more likely to be victims of abuse if they are with a Black woman than White males with White women....

And Black men are mostly with Black women and vice versa....

Can we make the assumption, since there appears to be no data on this, that Black males make up a hefty percentage of male victims of domestic violence?


I got hella data and studies that show Black women to be equal aggressors to Black men or even greater aggressors than Black men and that Black males suffer intimate partner violence from Black women starting in high school...

The feminist industry and you right it's an industry don't want people to know that women can be aggressive and dangerous. That women often times are the abusers and the men don't even know it's abuse because they have no concept of it. That's less money for female power. Female power has been predicated on being victims of men and oppressed by men.

shyt we still got men saying that women can't rape men...

Dr. Tommy Curry isn't trying to be mister data scientist and finding the perfect set of data....

He's trying to create a paradigm where Black men and boys aren't perceived as this aggressive beast that is terrorizing other Black men and Black females and he's saying that Black women and their feminist shyt isn't helping. And that Black feminists or whatever they wanna call themselves are saying Jim Crow, Confederacy about Black men that isn't true.

That they can't even conceive of a situation where Black women are in positions of power and privilege and using it to oppress Black men is crazy but they think Black men are the White men of the Black population lol.

Slide some of that my way...I have work to do on social media.
#NOPROMO documentary coming soon.

 

[AlainLocke]

Slide some of that my way...I have work to do on social media.
#NOPROMO documentary coming soon.

I found the studies at this blog by Dr. Hasan Johnson
Black Masculinism and New Black Masculinities
“From Amadou Diallo to Mike Brown: Challenging the Institutionalized Profitization of Black Male Hatred in Law Enforcement, Media, and Extremist Black Feminism” by T. Hasan Johnson, Ph.D.

All you gotta do is research the names on Google and get the study....

• “64% of Black male middle school and high school students had been emotionally abused by a girlfriend” (**** & Espelage, 2005).

• “91% of Black male undergraduates reported that their girlfriends had insulted or cursed at them, refused to talk to them, or said something to spite them” (Clark, Beckett, Wells, & Dungee-Anderson, 1994).

• “Similarly high rates were found among economically disadvantaged Black youth (ages 16 to 24) who were enrolled in Job Corps, a government-sponsored education and training program. A substantial number (48%) of these Black men had been degraded and 67% had been either insulted or called names by a girlfriend” (West & Rose, 2000).

• “Using a single-item measure, several scholars found comparable rates of victimization (7.2%) among Black male high school students in Minnesota (Ackard & Neumark-Sztainer, 2002) and in nationally representative high school samples. For example, 6.3% of young Black men had been beaten up by the person they had dated in the 30 days prior to the survey (Valois, Oeltmann, Waller, & Hussey, 1999) and 7.9% indicated that a girlfriend had threatened to or had actually physically hurt them (Ackard et al., 2003). Investigators found similar amounts of victimization among Black male high school students: 13.5% (Eaton, Davis, Barrios, Brener, & Noonan, 2007) and 10.6% (Howard & Wang, 2003) responded “yes” when asked “During the past 12 months, did your girlfriend ever hit, slap, or physically hurt you on purpose?”\

• “For example, when researchers utilized the Victimization Dating Relationship Scale, slightly more than one half (53%) of a sample of Black male middle and high school students reported dating violence victimization (**** & Espelage, 2005). However, most researchers have used the Conflict Tactics Scale (CTS) or a modified version of this scale, which categorized intimate partner violence as minor (e.g., threw objects, pushed, grabbed, shoved, and slapped) or severe (e.g., choked, beat up, used weapons; Straus, 1979).

• Based on the CTS, Clark and colleagues (1994) discovered that 41% of the Black college men in their sample had been physically abused by a partner at least once. The aggression most often took the form of pushing, slapping, or hitting. Similarly, 35% of young (19- to 20-year-old) Black men in a low-income community sample had been hit, punched, or slapped (16.3%); pushed, grabbed, or shoved (13.5%); and scratched or bit (10.4%) by a partner (O’Donnell et al., 2006). However, more severe acts were found when the CTS was administered to Job Corps participants. More specifically, the young men in this sample had been beaten up (16.9%) and choked (18.5%) by a girlfriend. In addition, an alarming number had been threatened with a knife or gun (25%) or actually assaulted with a weapon (13%; West & Rose, 2000).”

• “The rates of psychological, sexual, and physical dating violence perpetrated against Black men are unacceptably high. In fact, Rouse (1988) noted that when compared to White and Latino male undergraduates, “among dating students in this sample, the highest percentages for partner’s use of physical force and consequences experienced as a result were for Black men” (p. 318). Although researchers did not survey both members of the couple, an examination of gender differences revealed that Black women reported using more violence against boyfriends than Black men reported using against their girlfriends (Clark et al., 1994; DeMaris, 1990).”

 

[SonnyEMC]

https://bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/vi.pdf

Page 5: Female murder victims are substantially more likely than male murder victims to have been killed by an intimate. From 1976-96, 18.9% of women victims were murdered by husbands, 1.4% by ex-husbands, and 9.4.% by non marital partners. Over the same period, 3.7% of male victims were killed by wives,0.2% by ex-wives, and 2.0% by non marital partners

Page 6: Intimate murders accounted for 30% of all female murders and 6% of all male murders. the 32,580 spouses who were murder victims between 1976 and 1996, about 6 in 10 were women.


More important:

Let's evaluate this much toted quote supposedly proving black women violence:

Page 8: Between 1976 and 1989 more black men were killed by their wives than black women were killed by their husbands.

No one seems to quote the rest of that paragraph of:After 1990 the order was reversed, and the murder rate among black wives and ex-wives was higher than that among black husbands and ex-husbands.

Also page 8: The decline in the rate of intimate murder among black husbands/ex-husbands has been greater than for any other category of intimate murder victims.



Also, the study shows some drastic number changes

Page 7 : In 1976 the per capita rate of intimate murders among blacks was nearly 11 times that among whites; But in 1996 the black rate was just over 4 times higher than the white rate.

also


In 1976 the per capita rate of intimate murder of black men was nearly 19 times higher than that of white men. The rate among black females that year was 7 times higher than the rate among white females. In 1996 the black male rate was 8 times that of white males, and the black female rate was 3 times higher than the white female rate.

Page vii: The National Crime Victimization Survey (NCVS), which gathers data on criminal victimization from a national sample was started in 1972. But in the late 80's (86 on) the Bureau of Justice Statistics (BJS), sought to improve the NCVS components to enhance the measurement of crimes including rape,sexual assault, and intimate and family violence. A new questionnaire was created and it was phased in from January 1992 through June 1993. This new questionnaire provided a higher estimated counts of incidents of intimate violence than the old questionnaire

Data on their own without proper interpretation is useless.

This doesn't back up your earlier claims at all, you said you went to China and presented a fortune cookie as evidence

 

[Neuromancer]

The Root is looking like TLR right now

 

[Neuromancer]

This doesn't back up your earlier claims at all, you said you went to China and presented a fortune cookie as evidence

 

[Indiglow Meta (R$G)]

The Root is looking like TLR right now

We must remove all traces of Filth from this area.

 

[Neuromancer]

We must remove all traces of Filth from this area.

I noticed the amount of "female" poster with the same style showing up here. I don't think this is coincidence.

 

[Indiglow Meta (R$G)]

I noticed the amount of "female" poster with the same style showing up here. I don't think this is coincidence.

It's a foreigner, too.
Most definitely a concerted effort.

 

[Neuromancer]

It's a foreigner, too.
Most definitely a concerted effort.

There was another one who wasn't AA who posted in the BLM thread she was saying the same bullshyt.
@Grano-Grano was debating her.