Dr. Dre is always called influential but is he really?

[ManBearPig]

First of all its not the best rap label ever

Second, it could've been Doggystyle too if that came out first

Dre just happened to be the first to come out, so what? like I said Snoop was really the star of that album

And Suge practically saved Dre's career post-NWA
Dre was the least significant MC in NWA and Suge gave him a shot to put out an album

Dr.Dre had more to do with that album being successful than Snoop

Dre produced that entire album

 

[Zach Lowe]

Dre produced it

Yes he did
and?

 

[Zach Lowe]

Dr.Dre had more to do with that album being successful than Snoop

Dre produced that entire album

 

[Bugsmoran]

me being wut yall call an Old head.. even tho i aint 35 yet. im old enough to hav witness the influence Dr Dre had on HipHop music

this 1991 Nwa beat is the blueprint to the Dr Dre sound..... this is when Dre became Dre

the high synth sound that comes in over that funky beat at the 0:25mark
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Big Hutch from Above The Law and Dr Dre influenced eachother... but Hutch is one of the most slept on producers of all time unfortunately so he didnt influence the game like Dre

after the Chronic came out there was so many producers making G funk tracks and rappers going for that sound... even legends like Masta Ace was influenced by the Chronic

Eazy E made a G funk album dissin Dre... Real Mf'ing Gz is a classic but lets be real it was influenced by Dr Dre

 

[Broccoli Rob]

I sometimes wonder this myself. Yes, influential, but definitely overrated.

 

[Auger]

There's no need for neg reps, this is an attempt at intelligent discussion.

I think Timbaland had stronger periods of "influence" than dre. Even if currently Timbaland kind of fell off.

In 99-2001 people were biting timbo, and in 2006-2008 people were biting timbo and danja.

Manny fresh is more influential than both though

 

[ManBearPig]

There's no need for neg reps, this is an attempt at intelligent discussion.

I think Timbaland had stronger periods of "influence" than dre. Even if currently Timbaland kind of fell off.

In 99-2001 people were biting timbo, and in 2006-2008 people were biting timbo and danja.

Manny fresh is more influential than both though

meh

 

[MouseTeeth]

First of all its not the best rap label ever

Second, it could've been Doggystyle too if that came out first

Dre just happened to be the first to come out, so what? like I said Snoop was really the star of that album

And Suge practically saved Dre's career post-NWA
Dre was the least significant MC in NWA and Suge gave him a shot to put out an album

U know dr dre produced doggystyle as well right? It was an LP that wouldn't have been what it was without the guidance of dr dre...snoop was a diamond in the rough that dre polished man

 

[Reality Check]

Him rapping is a joke since he has a team of ghost writers.

1A. No one ever bit his style of production
Except for Eminem and kids online who post “Dr. Dre type beats”. If he’s so influential then why does no one sound like him?

Flat out wrong with this. Jermaine Dupri used the Dre blueprint from 92-96 for albums by Da Brat and Kriss Kross. Those albums were heavily influenced enough that Death Row dissed JD and Da Brat a couple times. Diddy has stated in interviews that Death Row was one of their inspirations.

I know a lot of y’all will be like Dre was hot so he has to be influential but break it down into beats and rhymes and Dre isn’t very influential at all

After 2001 dropped Dre was everywhere and you had cats using recent beats as their own (Ja Rule, Mary J Blige, and Faith Evans come to mind as using beats that were 3-4 years old).

In 99-2001 people were biting timbo, and in 2006-2008 people were biting timbo and danja.

And Timbo/Missy took their blueprint from DeVante and ran with it for the 2nd Aaliyah album and beyond.

Manny fresh is more influential than both though

Statement is flat out and

 

[MouseTeeth]

And to answer this thread, yes Dre is one of the most influential PRODUCERS ( notice I didn't just say beat maker) of all time. He's up there w the Rick Rubins and Phil Spectors. Lemme educate u on what a real producer does, he doesn't just sit and make a beat n leave. He may make the beat or have someone else do it (which happens a lot in dres case) but his real job and expertise is guiding the overall direction and structure of the record. He knows all the little idiosyncrasies that can take a song from B level to A plus level. That's what all the goat producers do, shyt Rick Rubin doesn't even play instruments n his catalogue is untouchable. The man knows music n how the final product should sound. Oh and also, u ever notice how NOBODY is the games beats bang the way Dres do? U think that's an accident?????? fukk no, Btwn him and his engineers they're the illest on the game hands down. He may have underlings/musicians working under him but he's the conductor telling that orchestra what to do. The musicians who rocked on "Off the wall" r just studio musicians without the addition of Quincy jones. N that's exactly what dre is, a fukking legend.

 

[Zach Lowe]

@Reality Check link to some JD joints biting Dre
just because Dre thought he was biting doesn't mean he was
if you have to point out Kriss Kross albums as having Dre influenced beats then that shows that almost no one bit his beats
@MouseTeeth that whole "real producer" argument is fokkin played out and wrong
are you telling me dudes that make better music than him somehow fall short in "little idiosyncrasies"

you can portray Phil Jackson as a genius all you want but Jordan would've won his rings with or without him

not only that your whole post is irrelevant cuz we're talking about his relevance not whether or not he's a good producer

 

[ADP]

he really is because he's your favorite producer's favorite producer he just took the whole "beatmaking" in rap to another level that was never seen before him AND he was part of NWA if he ain't influential who is ?

 

[sporticus]

The West Coast is STILL biting Dre production.

That said, he's probably the most massively overrated producer ever in terms of actual quality.

 

[Harry B]

Go talk to megatronbomb, you are worthless at doing this.

 

[Auger]

Y'all doubt the influence manny fresh had?