Don’t vote? Veteran Democratic Congressman Still Pushing for Reparations in a Divided America

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I knew you would say that so let me continue to keep my foot on your throat...:mjlit:

Today, many prominent Democrats have indicated or said outright they don't think reparations are the way to go. Van Hollen's conversation with Newman came shortly after Democratic presidential candidate Bernie Sanders told Fusion TV that he didn't support reparations, calling them divisive and — somewhat ironically — giving another reason as the chances of them getting through Congress as "nil." President Obama and Hillary Clinton also haven't supported the idea. Candidate Obama expressed concern that reparations would gloss over all the other work America needs to do to reach racial equality.

In Congress, Rep. John Conyers (D-Mich.) has introduced legislation to to set up a seven-person committee to consider the idea of reparations every year since 1989. The bill is flagged H.R. 40, so named for the original reparations promise that former slaves would receive "40 acres and a mule." But the Congressional Black Caucus, whose members provide most of the support for the bill, hasn't put any real weight behind it, and the bill at most gathered about 60 cosponsors. Going back to 2003, six or seven of those lawmakers have been either Hispanic or white, as Van Hollen is; the rest are black. This year, it has no cosponsors so far.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...very-how-rare-is-that/?utm_term=.2a267cf6876e

Next predictable goal post move..."but but even your article is about a House Dem is considering reparations:damn:

From the same article -
"To reiterate and be completely clear, Van Hollen is saying he'd be open to considering a bill that considers reparations. His comments will hardly be a watershed moment for the reparations cause, a la Ta-Nehisi Coates's 2014 essay "The Case for Reparations."

And FYI I actually want reparations, thats why I
m so hard on the Dems. They think they can half-ass it and we should give them an A for effort.
No. :dahell:
Continuing the same energy of lethargy and procrastination towards Reparations will never achieve the end goal and it should be called out and I dont care if it makes them look bad.

That article that you posted was in 2016. In 2017 the bill was reintroduced and got 35 cosponsors. Keep trying though bro...
 

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That article that you posted was in 2016. In 2017 the bill was reintroduced and got 35 cosponsors. Keep trying though bro...
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You really dont give a fukk about Reparations do you?
 

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You are strengthening my point even further that we should VOTING. It's left to die in that committee because that committee has been controlled by REPUBLICANS since 2010. If we vote, dems will have control of the house and the judiciary committee, and that bill can be moved.

Anyway, the legislative process takes time. Now with the dems controlling the house in 2019, this bill has a chance. We should be calling our congress men to urge them to make that bill a priority, not urging people not to vote so that people who could support this bill will be replaced by blatant republican white supremacists.

No, I completely agree! We should be voting. BUT, we need to go directly after the Democrats we elected in.

The need to be just as verbal and loud about Reparations bill and their support thereof -- as they are for illegal immigrations, DACA, Dreamers, etc. The Black Caucus, The NAACP, and every other "Black" organization.

It doesn't have a chance without that. Black Americans need to know it's even in up for passing. They are out there crying about illegal immigration -- but silent on reparations or anything native black.

But, guess what? I don't see it.

They won't support this pass their "co-sponsor" signature -- cause they know it will lead to them losing -- White, Non-Black POC and possibly Black Immigrant support.
 

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So is Obama:comeon:

Come on now...LOL

You know Obama is not Black American. He can identify as such --cause he has a "skintone" -- but he is bi-racial. And would be and classified himself as an Kenyan-American.

Obama: 'I'm the first Kenyan-American to be president' - CNNPolitics

He doesn't care about reparations - cause he has no connection to the enslaved in America.

He already said he didn't support it. Which is hilarious -- cause he supported and passed reparations for Jews.

Obama administration earmarks $12m for Holocaust survivors

Why do Holocaust survivors get reparations, but Black Americans are told to forget their history?
 

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You are strengthening my point even further that we should VOTING. It's left to die in that committee because that committee has been controlled by REPUBLICANS since 2010. If we vote, dems will have control of the house and the judiciary committee, and that bill can be moved.

Anyway, the legislative process takes time. Now with the dems controlling the house in 2019, this bill has a chance. We should be calling our congress men to urge them to make that bill a priority, not urging people not to vote so that people who could support this bill will be replaced by blatant republican white supremacists.


And again, if the bill was not introduced again - which it should have been in Jan 2018. NOTHING will make it moved. No matter how many co-sponsors it gets.

It has to be re-introduced. Then it has to have all those same co-sponsors SIGN/SUPPORT again.

I am hoping it is in 2019. I have already wrote and/or reached out to each of the co-sponsors and Mr. Conyers about it.
 

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Come on now...LOL

You know Obama is not Black American. He can identify as such --cause he has a "skintone" -- but he is bi-racial. And would be and classified himself as an Kenyan-American.

Obama: 'I'm the first Kenyan-American to be president' - CNNPolitics

He doesn't care about reparations - cause he has no connection to the enslaved in America.

He already said he didn't support it. Which is hilarious -- cause he supported and passed reparations for Jews.

Obama administration earmarks $12m for Holocaust survivors

Why do Holocaust survivors get reparations, but Black Americans are told to forget their history?
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No, I completely agree! We should be voting. BUT, we need to go directly after the Democrats we elected in.

The need to be just as verbal and loud about Reparations bill and their support thereof -- as they are for illegal immigrations, DACA, Dreamers, etc. The Black Caucus, The NAACP, and every other "Black" organization.

It doesn't have a chance without that. Black Americans need to know it's even in up for passing. They are out there crying about illegal immigration -- but silent on reparations or anything native black.

But, guess what? I don't see it.

They won't support this pass their "co-sponsor" signature -- cause they know it will lead to them losing -- White, Non-Black POC and possibly Black Immigrant support.

I don't think that's completely fair to say. Dems are currently talking about DACA and the border in defense of President Trump blatantly enacting policy that is targetting them and making this a hot button issue.
 

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You are strengthening my point even further that we should VOTING. It's left to die in that committee because that committee has been controlled by REPUBLICANS since 2010. If we vote, dems will have control of the house and the judiciary committee, and that bill can be moved.

Anyway, the legislative process takes time. Now with the dems controlling the house in 2019, this bill has a chance. We should be calling our congress men to urge them to make that bill a priority, not urging people not to vote so that people who could support this bill will be replaced by blatant republican white supremacists.

This is CBC's agenda:

IMMIGRATION REFORM
“Lifting Up the Voices of Black Immigrants”

An estimated 11 million undocumented immigrants call America home. 575,000 of them are Black. Black immigrants much like African Americans are disproportionately targeted by the criminal justice system, which often leads to deportation and detention. Consequently, although Black immigrants only represent 5 percent of the undocumented population in the United States, they represent more than 20 percent of immigrants facing detention and deportation on criminal grounds. From the institution of slavery to today’s institutions – the criminal justice, juvenile justice, and child welfare systems – African Americans know all too well the pain of the forced separation of our families. This tragic history unites African Americans with Black, Latino and other immigrant communities. The CBC Immigration Reform Working Group is committed to fixing our broken immigration system by codifying Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals, extending the Temporary Protected Status of countries that continue to face conflicts and disasters, and advocating for other measures.​


Nothing on Reparations. Without John Conyers -- they are MUTE on the topic.



CBC AGENDA FOR THE 115TH CONGRESS
Engagement: Since 1971, Members of the Congressional Black Caucus (CBC) have been the “Conscience of the Congress,” uplifting the voices of the voiceless and fighting for the most vulnerable among us. The CBC collectively represents 78 million Americans, including 17 million African Americans, many of whom are concerned about how the Trump Administration will impact their daily lives. The CBC is working every day to uplift these concerns and hold both Congress and this Administration accountable. On the Hill, the CBC is hosting briefings, forums, and roundtables to provide a platform for the issues most important in our communities. Off the Hill, CBC is engaging people where they are by hosting events outside the beltway that address problems in our communities and bring resources that make them better places to live and work. Whether on or off the Hill, the CBC will prioritize outreach to marginalized communities by:

  • Engaging communities in constructive dialogue;
  • Informing citizens of how they are impacted by actions, and inactions, in Congress and the Trump Administration; and
  • Mobilizing the next generation of Black Leaders.
Equity: The Constitution guarantees every man, woman, and child equal protection under the law, but those civil liberties have never applied to all Americans equally. While we have come a long way, African Americans continue to face racist and discriminatory policies and institutions that result in disparities across almost every facet of life, from access to quality affordable health care and education, to police brutality and voter suppression. The CBC will continue its decades-long mission of forming a more perfect union by fighting for equality and justice for all Americans by:
  • Fighting to expand access to the ballot through initiatives like automatic voter registration and early voting;
  • Reforming the criminal justice system from end-to-end, from de-escalation training for law enforcement officers and banning private prisons, to fully funding the Second Chance Act;
  • Investing in and defending the public education system to ensure every child has access to quality education;
  • Supporting our Historically Black Colleges and Universities and Predominantly Black Institutions; Expanding access to affordable higher education by providing year-round Pell Grants, reducing student loan interest rates, and providing two years of free tuition at certain institutions of higher education;
  • Preserving the Affordable Care Act to ensure millions of Americans retain access to affordable, quality healthcare, and retaining investments in minority health clinics to combat health disparities; and
  • Protecting the Environmental Protection Agency to ensure all Americans have equal access to clean air, water, and land.
Economic Empowerment: The CBC is committed to advancing Black families in the 21st Century. To do so, we must address the economic disparities that have plagued our communities for generations and create opportunities that lift all Americans out of poverty and into the middle class and beyond. Unfortunately, the racial wage and wealth gaps in America are worsening. That is why the CBC supports policies that strengthen protections for workers and expand Black entrepreneurship and business development. Investing in economic development benefits entrepreneurs and workers alike, as well as communities at large. The CBC will continue to fight for economic justice for disadvantaged businesses and the workers they employ by:
  • Advancing tax reform that provides relief for middle-class families and small businesses while asking the richest of the rich to pay their fair share;
  • Rebuilding our nation’s infrastructure to ensure long-term economic competitiveness for all communities, including modernizing schools, expanding broadband, and providing summer and year round jobs for Opportunity Youth;
  • Preserving programs that support minority businesses, like the Community Development Block Grant Program and the Minority Business Development Agency;
  • Expanding access to capital by advancing FinTech initiatives, bolstering mission-driven lending options, like Community Development Financial Institutions, and providing regulatory relief for minority depository institutions;
  • Preparing Americans for the work of the future through workforce development programs that anticipate the demands of a 21st Century economy; and
  • Strengthening labor protections that help put more money in the pockets of hardworking Americans, like increasing the minimum wage and expanding overtime protections.
 

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This is CBC's agenda:

IMMIGRATION REFORM
“Lifting Up the Voices of Black Immigrants”

An estimated 11 million undocumented immigrants call America home. 575,000 of them are Black. Black immigrants much like African Americans are disproportionately targeted by the criminal justice system, which often leads to deportation and detention. Consequently, although Black immigrants only represent 5 percent of the undocumented population in the United States, they represent more than 20 percent of immigrants facing detention and deportation on criminal grounds. From the institution of slavery to today’s institutions – the criminal justice, juvenile justice, and child welfare systems – African Americans know all too well the pain of the forced separation of our families. This tragic history unites African Americans with Black, Latino and other immigrant communities. The CBC Immigration Reform Working Group is committed to fixing our broken immigration system by codifying Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals, extending the Temporary Protected Status of countries that continue to face conflicts and disasters, and advocating for other measures.​


Nothing on Reparations. Without John Conyers -- they are MUTE on the topic.



CBC AGENDA FOR THE 115TH CONGRESS
Engagement: Since 1971, Members of the Congressional Black Caucus (CBC) have been the “Conscience of the Congress,” uplifting the voices of the voiceless and fighting for the most vulnerable among us. The CBC collectively represents 78 million Americans, including 17 million African Americans, many of whom are concerned about how the Trump Administration will impact their daily lives. The CBC is working every day to uplift these concerns and hold both Congress and this Administration accountable. On the Hill, the CBC is hosting briefings, forums, and roundtables to provide a platform for the issues most important in our communities. Off the Hill, CBC is engaging people where they are by hosting events outside the beltway that address problems in our communities and bring resources that make them better places to live and work. Whether on or off the Hill, the CBC will prioritize outreach to marginalized communities by:

  • Engaging communities in constructive dialogue;
  • Informing citizens of how they are impacted by actions, and inactions, in Congress and the Trump Administration; and
  • Mobilizing the next generation of Black Leaders.
Equity: The Constitution guarantees every man, woman, and child equal protection under the law, but those civil liberties have never applied to all Americans equally. While we have come a long way, African Americans continue to face racist and discriminatory policies and institutions that result in disparities across almost every facet of life, from access to quality affordable health care and education, to police brutality and voter suppression. The CBC will continue its decades-long mission of forming a more perfect union by fighting for equality and justice for all Americans by:
  • Fighting to expand access to the ballot through initiatives like automatic voter registration and early voting;
  • Reforming the criminal justice system from end-to-end, from de-escalation training for law enforcement officers and banning private prisons, to fully funding the Second Chance Act;
  • Investing in and defending the public education system to ensure every child has access to quality education;
  • Supporting our Historically Black Colleges and Universities and Predominantly Black Institutions; Expanding access to affordable higher education by providing year-round Pell Grants, reducing student loan interest rates, and providing two years of free tuition at certain institutions of higher education;
  • Preserving the Affordable Care Act to ensure millions of Americans retain access to affordable, quality healthcare, and retaining investments in minority health clinics to combat health disparities; and
  • Protecting the Environmental Protection Agency to ensure all Americans have equal access to clean air, water, and land.
Economic Empowerment: The CBC is committed to advancing Black families in the 21st Century. To do so, we must address the economic disparities that have plagued our communities for generations and create opportunities that lift all Americans out of poverty and into the middle class and beyond. Unfortunately, the racial wage and wealth gaps in America are worsening. That is why the CBC supports policies that strengthen protections for workers and expand Black entrepreneurship and business development. Investing in economic development benefits entrepreneurs and workers alike, as well as communities at large. The CBC will continue to fight for economic justice for disadvantaged businesses and the workers they employ by:
  • Advancing tax reform that provides relief for middle-class families and small businesses while asking the richest of the rich to pay their fair share;
  • Rebuilding our nation’s infrastructure to ensure long-term economic competitiveness for all communities, including modernizing schools, expanding broadband, and providing summer and year round jobs for Opportunity Youth;
  • Preserving programs that support minority businesses, like the Community Development Block Grant Program and the Minority Business Development Agency;
  • Expanding access to capital by advancing FinTech initiatives, bolstering mission-driven lending options, like Community Development Financial Institutions, and providing regulatory relief for minority depository institutions;
  • Preparing Americans for the work of the future through workforce development programs that anticipate the demands of a 21st Century economy; and
  • Strengthening labor protections that help put more money in the pockets of hardworking Americans, like increasing the minimum wage and expanding overtime protections.

It wasn't on their agenda when they introduced the bill and cosponsored it either.

You guys want them to be loud about this, and I guess that's a fair assessment. But just like how Obama wasn't loud about directing the justice department to investigate corrupt police departments who practiced police brutality, the my brother's keeper program, closing private prisons, funding more than 4 billion specifically for HBCU's, banning the use of solitary confinement for juveniles in federal prison, the Advancing Equity For Women and Girls of Color program, etc etc., I appreciate ACTIONS MORE THAN EMPTY LIP SERVICE.
 
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I have been following this closely. Black Democrats are scared to show support to reparations and indeed doing so -- and out and loud about illegal immigration. This is an MAJOR problem.

I was working with Mr. Conyers office on helping with the H.R. 40 and Census classification outreach -- before he was succeeded by Don Young.

This is at a standstill. Actions - H.R.40 - 115th Congress (2017-2018): Commission to Study and Develop Reparation Proposals for African-Americans Act

As of March --
03/08/2018-11:58am ASSUMING FIRST SPONSORSHIP - Ms. Jackson Lee asked unanimous consent that she may hereafter be considered as the first sponsor of H.R. 40, a bill originally introduced by former Representative Conyers, for purposes of adding cosponsors and requesting reprintings pursuant to clause 7 of rule XII. Agreed to without objection.

Since Ms. Jackson Lee asking to be the first sponsor -- only 3 more have been added for 2018. Meaning those who showed support in 2017 -- have NOT in 2018 -- and probably won't in 2019.

Rep. Evans, Dwight [D-PA-2] 05/15/2018
Rep. McGovern, James P. [D-MA-2] 06/26/2018
Rep. Jeffries, Hakeem S. [D-NY-8] 06/26/2018

NOTHING has happened since he left. The bill was not introduced at all in 2018.

The Black organizations nor Democrats have stepped up for H.R. 40 to introduce the bill for 2019.

Tell him again.

This fukkin' agent completely screwed himself bringing up some old shyt.

This thread would only be relevant if they hadn't forced the ONE GUY who kept bringing reparations up out of Congress on some fake #MeToo shyt.

:mjlol: @ the reaching people are doing to discredit this after months and months of bytching and whining that liberals and democrats never have tried to do anything specifically for black people.

:umad:

Are you really THAT dumb or just that morally compromised?:dwillhuh:

I really don't know at this point.

Like, you seriously don't think any of us knew about John Conyers introducing H.R. 40 before yo dumb ass brought it up?:gucci:


You also think that we didn't know that ultimately the party would just let it die because they were never behind it in the first place?:comeon:

Like dude, you read like a 23 year old who just got into politics a few years ago or something. Stop
 

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It’s going on 2 years and nothing else came of this. Conyers is facing (forced) retirement and it would require Trump’s signature and they would ironically find a way to obstruct their “own” bill because of it.
The bigger picture, you see it.
 

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I would imagine most black people would buy homes and land first, then clear their student loan debts, then buy vehicles, then invest...I want people to have full control over their own money. And I said it in another thread, but if we got legitimate amounts of cash I hope that would lead to more black businesses. You are right about people blowing through money, but lets say for white people, if a white person buys some dumb shyt, he's most likely buying dumb shyt from another white guy and that money is circulating amongst white people. Hopefully, the black person buying jewelry is now buying jewelry from a black jeweler, of buying his rims from a black rim shop, etc...
Reparations will never happen because there's no pay-off. There's no incentive. The government gains no advantage, nothing of value it doesn't already get from descendents of slaves (and slaveowners).

None of what you stated will happen. Black folk will continue to hand over money to everybody else. And it wouldn't matter as long as the government received a return.

Instead of looking at hypothetical white people, look at living 'natives'. Who's getting cut a check? Who isn't? Who's been declared extinct? Who's been created out of whole cloth? and why?

What are their lives like, in return for those checks? What are their lives like without them?

What value was exchanged for those checks?
 
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