DON'T fukk THIS UP (AGAIN) KYLE!! EDIT: HE DID!!! ....2024 SAN FRANCISCO 49ERS SEASON THREAD.

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Y'all are in such a tough spot with him. Like I legit think he's a good QB with processing what's happening on the field and reading defenses. I just don't know if he's worth top 5/10 QB money. I've always been against paying huge QB money to one that's not an elite QB since the team is gone have to skimp in other places. I'd be tempted to explore what type of trade value he has and see if a QB desperate team would give up a haul.
Yea it’s not an easy decision because there is a lot that he does well but can you live with his limitations? If there was no cap, I wouldn’t care but he’s not going to have those stacked weapons anymore.

If you’re unsure if he will ball or fail then he’s not the guy.
 

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So you think Andy Reid is the only elite coach in the league?
It's not necessary about winning multiple SBs, but winning you have the roster. Kyle doesn't fit that pedigree and never will. You can't have a Super Bowl roster for five years and not win it. You have to be a pretty slow in the head to think it will ever happen at this point.
 
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The thing makes it hard for me to buy the regressed stuff is people keep taking for granted it dismissing all the chaos around him and unlooking how he been keeping it together.

If from jump all the main characters have been present and healthy and doing their thing this year then I would absolutely agree that Brock regressed if we had the same record or worse. But that hasn’t been the case.

Borrows hasnt been the same dude he was a few years ago but no one saying he regressed or same with CJ Stroud. And then people are giving Young pity sympathy and he dealing with a lot of the same things Brock dealing with but they don’t give Brock that same pass.

Its crazy
I mean, he's objectively regressed in production from last year. I think it's mainly due to factors outside of his control, but he played better last year. I think what we've seen from Brock this year is closer to his floor than his ceiling.

I'm on record as thinking Burrow is the most overrated player in the league, but this is a bad year to make the case that he's regressed because he's probably playing the best ball of his career this season and he's on a heater currently. Stroud has definitely regressed from his rookie year though. Young has looked better since coming back from the benching but he definitely looked like shyt earlier this year. But yes, all 3 QBs are given more excuses and rope than Brock because they're all top 5 picks so people want them to be good. Brock wasn't supposed to even be in the league at this point and will have to over-earn his flowers. It is crazy. :yeshrug:
 

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Y'all are in such a tough spot with him. Like I legit think he's a good QB with processing what's happening on the field and reading defenses. I just don't know if he's worth top 5/10 QB money. I've always been against paying huge QB money to one that's not an elite QB since the team is gone have to skimp in other places. I'd be tempted to explore what type of trade value he has and see if a QB desperate team would give up a haul.
There is no such thing as top 10 QB money for a franchise QB anymore. You either get paid top 5 or you're not The Guy™ for that franchise. Dak's contract made him the highest paid player, Hurt's contract made him the highest paid player, Love's contract made him the highest paid player, Goff's contract made him the second highest paid player, Kyler's contract made him the second highest paid player, Tua's contract made him the 5th highest paid player. The only alternatives are 36 year old Kirk Cousins becoming the 12th highest paid QB and the team drafting a top 10 pick QB months later, or a journeyman Baker Mayfield on his 4th team in as many years becoming the 15th highest paid QB. Derek Carr might be an interesting example though. When he was in Purdy's position, he was made the highest paid player in the league, but years later he was cut and got his current deal with the Saints that made him the 15th highest paid I think.

So the question is, is Brock closer to 32 year old Carr, 36 year old Cousins and 29 year old Mayfield, or is he closer to Tua, Goff and Love. I think he's closer to the latter group, so he'll probably get a Tua-type contract where he's made the 5th or so highest paid QB.
 

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Yea it’s not an easy decision because there is a lot that he does well but can you live with his limitations? If there was no cap, I wouldn’t care but he’s not going to have those stacked weapons anymore.

If you’re unsure if he will ball or fail then he’s not the guy.
Exactly. Especially when you see a team like the Vikings able to rehabilitate Sam Darnold's career by surrounding him with tons of weapons it makes you think if the 49ers could go with a cheaper so-so veteran and they look better versus a monster contract for Purdy. It'll be interesting how it plays out.
 

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There is no such thing as top 10 QB money for a franchise QB anymore. You either get paid top 5 or you're not The Guy™ for that franchise. Dak's contract made him the highest paid player, Hurt's contract made him the highest paid player, Love's contract made him the highest paid player, Goff's contract made him the second highest paid player, Kyler's contract made him the second highest paid player, Tua's contract made him the 5th highest paid player. The only alternatives are 36 year old Kirk Cousins becoming the 12th highest paid QB and the team drafting a top 10 pick QB months later, or a journeyman Baker Mayfield on his 4th team in as many years becoming the 15th highest paid QB. Derek Carr might be an interesting example though. When he was in Purdy's position, he was made the highest paid player in the league, but years later he was cut and got his current deal with the Saints that made him the 15th highest paid I think.

So the question is, is Brock closer to 32 year old Carr, 36 year old Cousins and 29 year old Mayfield, or is he closer to Tua, Goff and Love. I think he's closer to the latter group, so he'll probably get a Tua-type contract where he's made the 5th or so highest paid QB.

Yea. I said earlier Tua's contract is where Brock people where Brock and his people start negotiating not end.
 

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There is no such thing as top 10 QB money for a franchise QB anymore. You either get paid top 5 or you're not The Guy™ for that franchise. Dak's contract made him the highest paid player, Hurt's contract made him the highest paid player, Love's contract made him the highest paid player, Goff's contract made him the second highest paid player, Kyler's contract made him the second highest paid player, Tua's contract made him the 5th highest paid player. The only alternatives are 36 year old Kirk Cousins becoming the 12th highest paid QB and the team drafting a top 10 pick QB months later, or a journeyman Baker Mayfield on his 4th team in as many years becoming the 15th highest paid QB. Derek Carr might be an interesting example though. When he was in Purdy's position, he was made the highest paid player in the league, but years later he was cut and got his current deal with the Saints that made him the 15th highest paid I think.

So the question is, is Brock closer to 32 year old Carr, 36 year old Cousins and 29 year old Mayfield, or is he closer to Tua, Goff and Love. I think he's closer to the latter group, so he'll probably get a Tua-type contract where he's made the 5th or so highest paid QB.
I was against all of those contracts for real. Paying them QBs that kind of money is the fastest path of being a middle of the road team for years.
 

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I was against all of those contracts for real. Paying them QBs that kind of money is the fastest path of being a middle of the road team for years.
Fair enough, as long as you're consistent and realistic.

And yeah, I'm not comfortable with this new world of QB contracts either, but I'm less comfortable looking at the list of QBs drafted in the past 3-4 years and trying to roll the dice on these super bust-prone, underdeveloped QBs coming out of college trying to run Shanahan's offense. I lean towards sticking with a guy who we know can operate the offense, even if we have to overpay a little. I think between the draft and cap fukkery we can build around Brock and maintain a high-level offense. The biggest impediment to our offense being better than middling is the OL in my opinion, and Brock's contract won't be the reason our OL would be shyt.
 

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Sidenote

So much attention and Smoke needs to be on this guy



Kyle need make the announcement to cut Campbell the moment he hits the office

He lucky Mike Singletary aint here


Our team?:what:


nicca I was clear with our rules and demands

we released @Bboystyle….. so he a free man and maybe he can say that but YOU STILL a prisoner in the Niner Gulag:ufdup:
:mjlit: I'm happy you told the GM to sign this cancer away from our team.
 

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My argument is that Kyle is the reason the team and roster is elite, which makes him an elite HC. I don't know any player who left this team and balled out in another system besides Mostert last year. It's not like we're stacked with first round picks all across the offense, Kyle has pulled elite production out of a 7th round QB, some UDFA RBs, a 5th round TE, a 7th round WR...the vast majority of coaches in the league are struggling worse with better resources.
But he's also the reason we've whiffed on so many early round picks and he hasn't able to do much of anything with the OL in 5 years before he finally got it "right" with Puni. And getting production for late round or non drafted RBs is a moot point because he doesn't uses them if his main RB is healthy.

I guess it depends on what we considering "elite". I think his biggest asset besides his rushing schemes is how well he picked and developed coaches up until last year.
Plugging in another HC and offensive system with these players isn't guaranteed to match Kyle's production.
Of course, nothing is a guaranteed when changing directions/plans. And I understand the fear of losing a known asset for a complete unkown. But I think that in year 7-8, we already know what we have at HC and it's understandable that people believe Shanahan is never getting over the hump with this franchise. He'll get his ring when he's older and lucks out with a QB like Andy Reid.
There are a lot of great coaches who haven't gotten the job done yet (LaFleur, McDermott, Stefanski, Campbell) yet no one is calling for their heads.
McDermott and Stefanski have been in hotter seats than Kyle in the past 2-3 years. And I'm pretty certain that if LaFleur was choking away SBs and NFCCG with 4th quarter 10 point leads, there would be a contingent of Packers fans that would be calling for his head.

We'll see what happens if Campbell chokes away two Superbowls the same way he chocked away the NFCCG last year against us.

The success that Kyle has had with his team works against him as well because it's so evident that there's one type of game he seems to never find a way to win, and those are sadly the most important games there are. There's little room for hope or to fool oneself into believing "this season will be different" because the Ls all come in the same fashion.

Being good enough to make you believe you should win a big playoff game, but dumb enough to choke it up eats away the goodwill people have for you more than if you wouldn't even make it to the biggest playoffs games.
 
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