Donald J. Trump 2020 Presidential Re-Election Bid / 2020 Republican Primary Thread

[Secure Da Bag]

That's Michelle...been trying to put y'all on New Mexico politics. Y'all need to be paying attention to them and Nevada.

Last time that happened, someone lost an election.

 

[bzb]

the sotu planners, trump, and conservatives are tone deaf, condescending, and intellectually dishonest af.

parading out black people as success stories when talking about criminal justice reform. like the system doesn't disproportionately target black communities.

trotting out white people as angel families and victims of of crime linked to border crossing...when latinos are more commonly victimized and conservatives don't want to address the immigration reform issue.

talking about "the wall" and then immediately spouting off ice and border arrest/drug stats like they're related. almost all of that is unrelated and the wall would have virtually no impact.

healthcare efforts when trying to make it harder for people to get healthcare.

just a whole bunch of trash and empty correlation that people who don't know details will eat up.

now i see this morning people on the right saying stacey abrams did a good job during the rebuttal on some 'she speaks so well' type shyt.

will never get over this feeling of being in some bizzaro matrix where such a woefully inept narcissist racist is potus. if got stranded on an island 4 years ago and came back to find this guy as potus i'd be...

 

[the cac mamba]

Waking up to see I haven't missed much.

@the cac mamba and @DEAD7 think the speech was good. Everyone else thinks he sucked.

Pretty much par for the course then.
This clearly didn't move the dial beyond getting back some of his base, and the crazy simulation we live in where Donald Trump is actually the President of the United States continues....

i cant lie, i thought it would suck but half of it was decent. the rest of it...sucked full of lies and bullshyt. hence my disappointment that nancy let it happen

and we're back at the bolded

 

[hayesc0]

This kid still out here c00ning figured he would have grown out of it.

 

[Apollo Kid]

 

[fact]

It is submissive, lazy, stupid mouth breathers that give the fukkface power. No reason to be scared of fluctuations in polls and talking heads high fiving each other on TV. 2018 showed us where this country is, and a president that only works 30% of the time CANNOT just pull the switch and decide he is going to put effort into the job all of a sudden. He is a fully formed human, with early onset dementia, is in terrible physical shape, and does not have the basic human attributes to lead a country. He lost the house, which basically makes him a lame duck president. You don’t accomplish legislation by giving speeches, and you don’t make investigations go away by playing a sucker on TV. He only has as much power as the majority of this country gives him, which isn’t much, so he is left with EO’s, which will get tied up in court, not to be settled for years. Anytime there is a visceral moment, like last night, people leave their damn mind, and go to make believe land. I’m gonna stay right here in reality and watch this train wreck bleed out.

 

[Black Panther]

Who is this lady?
I like the ad.

That's Michelle...been trying to put y'all on New Mexico politics. Y'all need to be paying attention to them and Nevada.

All I see is a PAWG MILF

 

[3rdLetter]

The same guy who used to lead "lock her up chants" out here using the SOTU on some pls stop shyt when the investigations are coming for him

 

[DEAD7]

how is capitalism helping blacks? or anyone for that matter.

I cant imagine believing capitalism hasnt created the wealthiest society on earth and enabled us to have these conversations about doing collective good...
You have to be filled with blind hate to ignore poverty being at an all time low both as a percentage and in real numbers, and that the world has never been more peaceful than it is.
Collectivist world views are strange...

 

[Spin]

Currently @DEAD7 and I are having a back-and-forth about capitalism vs social democracy. To be clear, I'm advocating social democracy. Social democracy is different than democratic socialism.

And yes, I agree that socialism has the one flaw that capitalism has. There's going to be a group flushed with money, which will lead to corruption and ultimately dysfunction. Democratic socialism would need thorough checks and balances, far more than what we have, to be successful. Unfortunately, no country has gotten close to implementing it yet. So as much as people want to scream "it doesn't work, it can't work", there's never been an actual opportunity to see or let it work.


NOTE: Though, social democracy is a blend between capitalism and socialism, it's normally put in the socialism category.

Since you seem to be more level headed than others, would you describe the video below as accurate? Take education for example. That's one area where I don't mind billionaires funding to receive some type of incentive in exchange for providing quality schools in poor areas. Success Academy charter system in NYC is one example of where that has worked. While charters are still considered public schools, the traditional public school system gives them hell because they're taking the "best students"(though they're still students from the hood). The traditional school system has had long enough to correct the problems in poor areas, but they haven't done so. There needs to be a shakeup. Too often administrators are more interested in getting pay raises than making the schools they serve better. That's the human problem with any social program the people on top will try to milk the system.

Poor charters should be closed just like poor traditional schools. However, I don't agree with bashing successful charter schools just because a few students didn't cut it. we're still talking about the majority of students at successful charters being from low income neighborhoods. No everyone deserves a trophy. If there is a common thread between the ones that don't make it be it mental health or other reasons, there should be speciality schools set up just for them.

 

[Secure Da Bag]

@Spin I'm watching this. But 1:25 in and she's manage to conflate, parliamentary government and social democracy and confuse those with democratic socialism. It's not a great start.

Edit: Ok, done with that. Yeah, Kyle has a pretty decent description of DS. Certainly more accurate than MSNBC.

Take education for example. That's one area where I don't mind billionaires funding to receive some type of incentive in exchange for providing quality schools in poor areas. Success Academy charter system in NYC is one example of where that has worked. While charters are still considered public schools, the traditional public school system gives them hell because they're taking the "best students"(though they're still students from the hood). The traditional school system has had long enough to correct the problems in poor areas, but they haven't done so. There needs to be a shakeup. Too often administrators are more interested in getting pay raises than making the schools they serve better.

I honesty don't know enough about the charter school system to make a decent comparison between the two. So initial questions I have are: what does funding between the two look like, what does teacher pay between the two look like, how does a charter school pick the kids that come to their school?

 

[wtfyomom]

I cant imagine believing capitalism hasnt created the wealthiest society on earth and enabled us to have conversations about doing collective good...
You have to filled with blind hate to ignore poverty being at an all time low both as a percentage and in real numbers, and that the world has never been more peaceful than it is.
Collectivist world views are strange...

I don’t buy that Capitalism is the reason for that plus poverty doesn’t need to exist at all at this point yet it still does.

 

[DEAD7]

I don’t buy that Capitalism is the reason for that plus poverty doesn’t need to exist at all at this point yet it still does.

This is an argument against the human condition, not capitalism. America does more to fight poverty than any nation or on earth, to fault capitalism, is to ignore reality.

 

[wtfyomom]

This is an argument against the human condition, not capitalism. America does more to fight poverty than any nation or on earth, to fault capitalism, is to ignore reality.

I agree that ultimatly any system would prob fail due to humans being selfish however in a basic sense capitalism is ripping people off to build wealth , you underpay workers and overcharge consumers to make profit , there’s no inherent value in that to me. Philanthropy is bullshyt too , if there’s no money or advantage to be gained somehow they ain’t doing shyt for nobody , I mean capitalism is ok with slavery , even now why do we outsource ? Cheap labor , you don’t have cheap labor you don’t get super wealthy, that’s my issue with it. It’s not even conducive to a fair system in theory, at least socialism in theory is fair to me but it’s prob just different world views , I’m not hating blindly ,I give my reasons

 

[bzb]

This is an argument against the human condition, not capitalism. America does more to fight poverty than any nation or on earth, to fault capitalism, is to ignore reality.

how does america do more to fight poverty than any nation on earth? and saying that by itself ignores that we're one of the richest countries on the planet and still have an unacceptable gap between the very wealthy and everyone else.

also keep in mind the gop recently passed a tax cut that disproportionately benefits the richest people and corporations. reality has shown when you give them more money they don't share it. trickle down doesn't work.