Don’ be a Sabo while chasin’ 4 rings in LA: 2021-22 GOAT franchise Boss Angeles Lakers season thread

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Bron is finding out what it's like to play with a real point guard.

Which is why this arrangement will work if Bron continues to play off ball more.

Honestly, Russ was right in his interview. It's not about his turnovers or his shooting. It's about continuing to unlock the Lakers scoring potential, from Monk to LeBron.

I'll say this, if the Lakers win the title this year and Russ is FMVP, Bron will become the true GOAT.

It's the only way.
WHAT. THE. PHUCK.

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They want to praise Bron and rightfully so but make sure you praise the guy who’s making his job easier. Even if you ask Bron off the record, he’d say just as much. Dennis on the other hand made Bron’s life so much harder than it needed to be by a)not putting pressure on the defense b) always pulling the ball back on fast breaks and c) not creating for Bron or AD.
Wade in 2011, 2012, 2013 had a higher usage rate than Russ and so did Kyrie in 2016 and 2017. Russ probably has more possessions but the thing with Russ is that he goes quick(to his detriment at times), rarely does he pound the ball like other Bron teammates do. but that's not the point of the tweet. it's to say that as bad as Russ is playing at times, the perception of his game and the reality is not the same. He's making Bron's job easier in his Lakers tenure in just 24 games than any Bron teammate has ever done for him in a whole season
I thought you said you'd given up trolling about Westbrook.

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He's doing everything but making Bron's job easier. I really don't know how the hell you got that out of that tweet.

This is another prime example why the traditional box score should be thrown in the bushes; 'assisting' on Bron's FGs doesn't mean he's actually creating the scoring opportunity, it just means he's the last player to pass him the ball before he makes a shot in the appropriate time that the statkeeper allows for an assist.

It's important to know the difference here because Westbrook is typically not creating buckets for Bron.

The assists that Westbrook accumulates are no different to the [uncontested] rebounds he grabs. They don't have any notable impact on the game, they're just another means to pad his stats; in fact, they're often at times a detriment to the functionality of the offense. He's mastered the art of positioning himself to where he can get these surface stats without doing a whole lot. He's averaging 6.8 minutes with the ball in hand, and controlling it for 4.85 seconds per touch, both marks which are the most of any teammate of Bron's since he's been on the Lakers. He only goes "quick" when there's an assist opportunity, otherwise, he does "pound the ball" until the next assist opportunity arises.

Bron always positions himself to where he can get the ball, be that cutting down the lane or sealing his man. He creates those opportunities by himself, and all the ball-handler has to do is make a rudimentary pass. That doesn't make his life easier; it's just an every-play action that every PG is capable of carrying out.

Here are the four assists that Westbrook made to Bron when he dropped 43 v. T'Blazers:
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What about those plays made Bron's job easier when you account for everything that happens during a game?

Every single one of those possessions were created by Bron's movements; Westbrook is not breaking down the defense on any of those assists. Hell, look at the first gif where he just passes to Bron in the post, who spins and drives baseline -- that's all Bron in his entirety. Making his life easier at this point of his career would be someone who could take on the main scoring load (preferably working primarily off-the-ball), and/or take on the main defensive reps, or at the very least share those duties with him.

Westbrook is quite literally the furthest thing from either of those.
 
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Bron's play is a testament to his ability to adapt and adjust to someone who's nearly completely worthless without the ball. He's doing all this at 37 in his 19th season (as if this hasn't been stated enough).

It's making his job harder.

Regardless of whatever fault he has in acquiring Westbrook, nobody with his mileage should be put in this position.
 

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I thought you said you'd given up trolling about Westbrook.

:usure:

He's doing everything but making Bron's job easier. I really don't know how the hell you got that out of that tweet.

This is another prime example why the traditional box score should be thrown in the bushes; 'assisting' on Bron's FGs doesn't mean he's actually creating the scoring opportunity, it just means he's the last player to pass him the ball before he makes a shot in the appropriate time that the statkeeper allows for an assist.

It's important to know the difference here because Westbrook is typically not creating buckets for Bron.

The assists that Westbrook accumulates are no different to the [uncontested] rebounds he grabs. They don't have any notable impact on the game, they're just another means to pad his stats; in fact, they're often at times a detriment to the functionality of the offense. He's mastered the art of positioning himself to where he can get these surface stats without doing a whole lot. He's averaging 6.8 minutes with the ball in hand, and controlling it for 4.85 seconds per touch, both marks which are the most of any teammate of Bron's since he's been on the Lakers. He only goes "quick" when there's an assist opportunity, otherwise, he does "pound the ball" until the next assist opportunity arises.

Bron always positions himself to where he can get the ball, be that cutting down the lane or sealing his man. He creates those opportunities by himself, and all the ball-handler has to do is make a rudimentary pass. That doesn't make his life easier; it's just an every-play action that every PG is capable of carrying out.

Here are the four assists that Westbrook made to Bron when he dropped 43 v. T'Blazers:
Le-Bron-James-43-pts-14-rebs-4-asts-vs-Blazers-2122-season.gif

Le-Bron-James-43-pts-14-rebs-4-asts-vs-Blazers-2122-season-1.gif

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Le-Bron-James-43-pts-14-rebs-4-asts-vs-Blazers-2122-season-3.gif

What about those plays made Bron's job easier when you account for everything that happens during a game?

Every single one of those possessions were created by Bron's movements; Westbrook is not breaking down the defense on any of those assists. Hell, look at the first gif where he just passes to Bron in the post, who spins and drives baseline -- that's all Bron in his entirety. Making his life easier at this point of his career would be someone who could take on the main scoring load (preferably working primarily off-the-ball), and/or take on the main defensive reps, or at the very least share those duties with him.

Westbrook is quite literally the furthest thing from either of those.
They stagger Bron and Westbrook so those numbers in which he holds the ball is misleading but of course you won’t mention that.
 

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I wonder how close. They might let Bradley go if they think Nunn can give us something worthwhile

 

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Tbf to Russ, this is the most Lebron has operated as a play-finisher. He's virtually replaced drives to the rim in the half-court with post-ups, three point shooting, and screening + rolling. He has the second lowest assist percentage of his career which means he's creating less than he ever has. The Westbrook/Bron P&R in particular has allowed him to get easier buckets late in games and Russ has been really ambitious in getting Bron the ball in his spots (obviously some of those ambitious passes result in turnovers). I think it's fair to say Westbrook has made it easier for Bron to score but Westbrook and his contract come with their own set of issues that are detrimental to winning. Targeting another playmaker was the right process just poor execution, imo.
 
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I wonder how close. They might let Bradley go if they think Nunn can give us something worthwhile


No way they’re letting Bradley go. He fits in well with the team and he’s low maintenance, knows his role. Pretty easy decision. I don’t see Collison coming back.
 

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No way they’re letting Bradley go. He fits in well with the team and he’s low maintenance, knows his role. Pretty easy decision. I don’t see Collison coming back.

I would keep and start Bradley too. But I'm thinking they might want an open roster spot. Just so they don't have to waive anyone and pay those extra costs
 
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