Don’ be a Sabo while chasin’ 4 rings in LA: 2021-22 GOAT franchise Boss Angeles Lakers season thread

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Yeah The Russ Bron Pn R with Bron rolling to the basket is nasty but still. I know AD is the real problem but you can’t trust Russ in clutch situations.
 
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Tbf to Russ, this is the most Lebron has operated as a play-finisher. He's virtually replaced drives to the rim in the half-court with post-ups, three point shooting, and screening + rolling. He has the second lowest assist percentage of his career which means he's creating less than he has. The Westbrook/Bron P&R in particular has allowed him to get easier buckets late in games and Russ has been really ambitious in getting Bron the ball in his spots (obviously some of those ambitious passing results in turnovers). I think it's fair to say Westbrook has made it easier for Bron to score but Westbrook and his contract come with their own set of issues that are detrimental to winning. Targeting another playmaker was the right process just poor execution, imo.
This would only be true if Westbrook was doing more work than Bron in the creation of the possession, which he typically is not. The actions where Bron is scoring off his passes are created by himself; he's doing the work by getting a release from his man and Westbrook is merely giving him the ball.

It's like if we were arborists and I was doing the all the labor of cutting down the tree. You're not making my job easier by handing me the axe to cut down the tree, are you?
 

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This would only be true if Westbrook was doing more work than Bron in the creation of the possession, which he typically is not. The actions where Bron is scoring off his passes are created by himself; he's doing the work by getting a release from his man and Westbrook is merely giving him the ball.

It's like if we were arborists and I was doing the all the labor of cutting down the tree. You're not making my job easier by handing me the axe to cut down the tree, are you?
Not true. If everyone could make those passes then it would be happening all game. THT handles the ball with Bron and I don’t see him making those passes. We all notice the chemistry but in your eyes it’s one sided and Westbrook is merely just passing him the ball. Westbrook is a good passer regardless of the amount of turnovers he has. You don’t average 10+ assists for multiple seasons without being a good passer especially when you factor in those post KD years in OKC when Westbrook was making bums look decent. Look at Washington last year, Russ made bums look good.
 
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Not true. If everyone could make those passes then it would be happening all game. THT handles the ball with Bron and I don’t see him making those passes. We all notice the chemistry but in your eyes it’s one sided and Westbrook is merely just passing him the ball. Westbrook is a good passer regardless of the amount of turnovers he has. You don’t average 10+ assists for multiple seasons without being a good passer especially when you factor in those post KD years in OKC when Westbrook was making bums look decent. Look at Washington last year, Russ made bums look good.
Those basic ass passes finding Bron are from everyone.

Westbrook just handles the ball considerably more than everyone else, which is why he gets more assists. It's hard not to have chemistry with Bron, but that still doesn't mean Westbrook is out there creating for him. Because he's not. He's merely identifying a scoring opportunity; he's not creating it himself. Just because it shows up as an assist in the box score doesn't make it so.
 

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Those basic ass passes finding Bron are from everyone.

Westbrook just handles the ball considerably more than everyone else, which is why he gets more assists. It's hard not to have chemistry with Bron, but that still doesn't mean Westbrook is out there creating for him. Because he's not. He's merely identifying a scoring opportunity; he's not creating it himself. Just because it shows up as an assist in the box score doesn't make it so.

Westbrook is a creative passer. He tries shyt out there passing the ball… sometimes it’s disastrous, sometimes it works out.

If that’s all he did he’d be fine. He’d still be a turnover machine, but overall it would balance out to a positive because playmaking is at an absolute premium and a rare and irreplaceable skill in the NBA.

The problem is all the other shyt he does. Rebound-hunting, extremely poor off ball defending, mostly poor rotations. Not to mention his inconsistent jumpshot.

As far as what you’re arguing, he absolutely does create transition opportunities for Bron and others at an elite level. He has halfcourt issues, though, often due to poor decision making. But I think the main issue for him there is the God-awful and unimaginative Vogel offense and terrible rotations with non-shooters
 
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Westbrook is a creative passer. He tries shyt out there passing the ball… sometimes it’s disastrous, sometimes it works out.

If that’s all he did he’d be fine. He’d still be a turnover machine, but overall it would balance out to a positive because playmaking is at an absolute premium and a rare and irreplaceable skill in the NBA.

The problem is all the other shyt he does. Rebound-hunting, extremely poor off ball defending, mostly poor rotations. Not to mention his inconsistent jumpshot.
What made Westbrook an impactful playmaker was his ability to break down almost any type of defense, but he's not really capable of doing that anymore. A lot of the actions that the Lakers are running are standard and/or Bron is working his own release - it's not because of Westbrook's creativity. Sure, he makes a couple passes a game which create a FG, but overall, it's really not making anyone's job easier.

The whole team is trying to swim against the current of his bad play.
 
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As far as what you’re arguing, he absolutely does create transition opportunities for Bron and others at an elite level. He has halfcourt issues, though, often due to poor decision making.
I mean, anybody can create transition opportunities when there's a scrambled defense.

If that's the only thing you can point to which Westbrook is actually creating, you're only adding weight to my argument.
 

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This is going to be a tough game if the Lakers refuse to play Dwight and if Russ has a high turnover game. Hopefully, the LA hos :lolbron: are doing their job and making sure the Kings aren't ready to play.
 
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