Dominicans Lynching Haitians in 2015

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I'll give you that. :sas1:

But you know damn well the reason Haitians invaded DR in 1820s was to put an end to slavery that was still going on.
:sas2: Sure, other fukkery ensued as always :manny: But dont kid yourself when you talk about "150 years ago" :ufdup:


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You gon have to cite something for that comment.

Slavery ending may have been a consequence of it, but I question it being the reason
 

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It's a fukked up situation for Haitians in the DR. It's terrible how they are treated.

It's complicated and not purely based on color although yes the Haitians being black is s BIG part of it. But there are huge populations of black Dominicans in the DR who are beloved. If it was purely color you would see mass violence in places like Samana which is predominantly black.

Look. I'm not making excuses here. Dominicans have a lot of blood on their hands and it's not right. Just don't go calling ALL of us racist a$$holes because we all aren't.

I am part of that population (my maternal grandparents are from Tortola, BVI), on the east side (san pedro de marcoris, la romana etc.) there are communities of BLACK immigrants from other islands that have been living there for years...they migrated to work on the sugarcane factories and we never had an issue.
 

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Dominican police lynches everyone

DR is not racist, we don't have the power to be racist
prejudice and discrimination yes but that is not unique to Haitians living in DR alone.



DR is not unique in the Diaspora or the entire world for that matter when it comes to self-hate issues. so I really don't know where are you trying to get by bringing this up.

DR has the power to be racist when it conforms to white supremacy by having an inherently prejudicial constitution, by treating black citizens like second-class citizens, and by employing a vigilante police force that targets--and lynches--black immigrants based on the belief that they are not Dominicans.

Other countries' racism doesn't make what DR is doing to Haitian immigrants any less despicable and inhumane.
 

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Haitians Accuse Dominican Police of Covering Up Motive for Lynching

By Josh Surtees

February 18, 2015 | 1:30 pm
The family of a Haitian man found lynched in a public square in the Dominican Republic in an apparently racially-motivated killing have accused authorities of trying to cover up the nature of the crime in a bid to dampen growing protests over racism in the country.

Henry 'Tulile' Claude Jean was found hanging from a tree in the city of Santiago on Wednesday with his hands and feet bound. Despite the macabre way in which his body was displayed, authorities were quick to dismiss racism as a possible motive, insisting instead that he had been killed by other Haitians during a theft.

Now his widow, Erzuline Celuma, has claimed in an interview with a Haitian TV stationthat Dominican authorities have buried his body in secret, without informing the family. Celuma, 22, stepmother to Claude's two daughters aged ten and eight, was joined by his sister who revealed that two of her own children had also been strangled in a similar way and that violence and discrimination against Haitians in the larger, wealthier neighboring state has reached alarming levels.

For Haitians living in the Dominican Republic, the initial response from police, the media and Dominicans themselves to the murder — which took place amid increasing tensions over a law that could see up to 200,000 Haitians deported from the country — has been dismaying. Within hours a senior police officer from the city of Santiago, Damian Arias Matos, had used his personal Twitter account to deny that the killing was racially motivated.

The media, hastily briefed by the police, put out reports that the killing had been perpetrated by two Haitians who stole a winning lottery ticket from the victim.

Many Dominicans — sensitive to their country's swelling reputation for racism — also took to social media to deny the murder was racially aggravated.

VICE News has since learned, from Dominican media sources, that police have now begun to unofficially circulate the theory that Claude participated in a robbery in which a woman died, and that his two accomplices then killed him.

There has, however, been no explanation of why a man well known in the community who had worked as a shoe shine in the park having migrated from Haiti in 2000 would have been lynched in such a manner.

According to an English language report on Celuma's interview — conducted in Creole — by human rights lawyer Ezili Danto, Seluma, clearly traumatized, emotional and often incoherent, told the TV interviewers that her husband did not play the lottery, had no enemies and was "a hard and diligent worker." She said she wanted "justice for her husband" and did not "want to live," adding that with Claude the sole bread winner, she was unsure how she would be able to support her family.

Chief of Police Manuel Castro Castillo has now taken charge of the investigation, after it became clear local police had discarded the hate crime theory without having carried out any investigation. He is now in Santiago and has brought in a group of youths who publicly burned the Haitian flag the evening before the hanging for questioning. No charges have yet been brought.

Activists have rejected outright the claim that Claude was killed by other Haitians.

"Ask the Haitian students I've spoken to studying not far from the park (where he was killed)," Danto said. "They speak about the continual humiliation they must endure, the community cover up, the glee that's been expressed by a good majority of Dominicans in the area of the park."

The killing has even been condemned by the Dominican Republic's more extreme politicians, including Vinicio Castillo Seman, a congressman with the Fuerza Nacional Progresista (National Progressive Force) party, who is a strong advocate of the mass expulsion of Haitians.

The Haitian prime minister, Evans Paul, has made no comment.

Edwin Paraison, former Haitian consul to the Dominican Republic, told VICE News, "There is no justification for a hanging in a public place no matter what the motive of the murder. It leads us to believe we are dealing with a hate crime in a particular context where hate speech against the Haitian community by certain commentators is scarcely concealed."

Paraison said that the day before Claude's body was discovered, a public demonstration had taken place in which war was declared on illegal immigration and that well known journalists had received death threats from ultra-nationalists for sympathizing with Haitian immigrants.

The protest followed a Febuary 1 deadline for Haitians born in the Dominican Republic to report to the authorities with proof that their ancestors came to the country legally, or face the possibility of deportation. The deadline was imposed after a 2013 ruling which effectively stripped Haitians born in the country after 1929 of their citizenship.

"It is a situation that seems to escape the control of the leaders of both countries, who have neglected to deal with the long-standing migration issue during the bilateral high-level talks held last year," Paraison said. "Everything seems to show that the anti-Haitian warhorse will be used again by certain political leaders in the election campaign."


According to María Isabel Soldevila, editor-in-chief of the country's biggest selling newspaper Listin Diairo, Santiago, the second largest city in the Dominican Republic, has become a particularly hostile environment for Haitians.

She said that last year racist groups in the city had burned a book by Peruvian Nobel Laureate Mario Vargas Llosa,"as a way to protest his views on the constitutional court's ruling and his son Gonzalo Vargas Llosa's work for the United Nations refugee division here. These groups have marched against the presence of Haitians in Santiago before and the hanging is not something to take lightly."

Vargas Llosa, the novelist who won the Nobel Prize for Literature in 2010 and whose novelThe Feast of the Goat was based on the 30-year dictatorship of Dominican president Rafael Trujillo during which between 10,000 and 20,000 Haitians were executed in a state-sponsored massacre in 1937, has been vocal about the 2013 court ruling.

According to Myrtha Desulme, an activist on the board of the Haitian Diaspora Foundation, the law is so strict that "even a Dominican born to Dominican parents could be denationalized if they could trace an undocumented Haitian ancestor going back 80 years. Someone who has resided in the country for 80 years could be deemed to be 'in transit' for the purposes of this law. Of course, the law doesn't specify Haitians, it refers to all foreigners. But everyone knows that Haitians are the main targets."

The court ruling came after a young girl was refused citizenship because her undocumented Haitian parents were considered "in transit." An appeal case was brought against the Dominican government who responded by passing the controversial measure.

There are 450,000 Dominicans of Haitian descent and up to 200,000 of them could be at risk of deportation.

After the ruling was publicly criticized by the Jamaican economist and long-standing champion of Haitian rights, the late Norman Girvan, heads of state from the Caribbean bloc Caricom iwrote strongly-worded letters to the Dominican president, Danilo Medina, expressing their humanitarian concerns.

The measure, which initially provided for automatic deportation, was subsequently amended to allow whose parents were undocumented to "normalize" their status by applying for two-year permits to stay in the country of their birth until they are allowed to formally re-apply for citizenship.

Haitian journalist Louis-Joseph Olivier of the newspaper Le Nouvelliste, told VICE News, "Everything began on 23 September 2013. Racist, anti-Haitian feeling intensified in the Dominican Republic since the decision of the Constitutional Court. It is in this context that cases of violence against the Haitian community are becoming more and more frequent on the other side of the island."

Despite the criticism from the outside world, many Dominicans are supportive of their government's position.

Prominent artist Marcos Lora Read told VICE News: "The government has invited (the international community) to come and see for themselves. Our country doesn't have the capacity to give nationality to everyone that crosses the border to give birth. The hospitals are already collapsing and tensions will increase. Every country has laws that go beyond human solidarity and compassion."

Referring to the Feb 1 deadline, he said that 43,000 Haitians had just been given residency papers. "Still there is an estimate of one million illegal here and unfortunately the country will not be able to legalize all of them, we don't have enough infrastructure. We hope that the rest of the Caribbean countries and the world can take some to lessen the pressure in Haiti a little bit and slow down the friction between the two countries."

https://news.vice.com/article/haiti...-up-motive-for-lynching?utm_source=vicenewsfb

vile people


fukkit they might as well just go to war with the Dominicans.
 

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Doggy you know im not the type to just throw the racist blanket over a group or even Dominicans. I have many Dominican friends and ex girlfriends too.

But bottom line is you guys have racism built-in in your ranks and are always in denial about it. THAT'S MY BIGGEST PROBLEM WITH DOMINICANS. Im fine with deporting illegal immigrants. You have to do what you have to do. But the DENIAL part is what bothers me.

The black Dominicans you speak of that are beloved are mostly famous athletes and entertainers and other famous people that have somehow won the people over. The average black person in DR is looked upon as a second class citizen, period. God forbid they're Haitian or of Haitian descent it gets even worse.

But let's be real, tho. Many Dominicans live in Haiti ILLEGALLLY either working or do business there and the Haitian government wouldnt allow them to be harmed like that. Many of the tour bus companies that bring tourists to Haiti from DR have been vandalized by Haitian competitors and those responsible ended up getting jailed for it. I should know.. i know someone serving time for it.

i dont think anybody denies that there is some colorism and race issues in DR just like anywhere else. our problem is that we get singled out for it and generalized when not every dominican is like that. u wouldnt like people coming in here and starting monthly anti-haitian threads because of the handful of witch doctors and haitians chopping each other up for petty beefs.
 

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Granted, they're celebrities...but...

Antony Santos
Pedro Martinez
Jhonny Ventura
Juan Marichal
David Ortiz
Romeo Santos

Almost every super popular person in the DR is black.

To say it's a pure color thing is just simplifying the issue. If it was some self hate shyt, those people would be hated. And they're practically legends.

If they weren't celebrities in America, they would be considered second-class citizens in DR.

Does the fact that Barack Obama, LeBron James, Kobe Bryant, Denzel Washington, Samuel L. Jackson, and Will Smith are all black mean that the United States doesn't have a serious race issue?
 

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The Haitians should fix their shythole of a country and stop immigrating to the Dominic00n replublic.

I believe that's what Michel Martelly is trying to do. Please don't speak on things you know little about.

I don't know why Dominicans would be so angry about Haitians migrating when they provide cheap labor, similar to how Mexicans provide cheap labor here. Its a win-win.
 

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You gon have to cite something for that comment.

Slavery ending may have been a consequence of it, but I question it being the reason
Boyer had his goals + many factions of Dominicans welcomed the unification because
a) the Dominican economy was in trouble and
b) Domincans didnt have a strong enough army to repel invaders should Spain decide to fight the declaration of independence.

But Boyer being a black man had his own personal agenda besides all the advantages that were on the table in doing this.

Bottom line is when Haitian troops came across the border they encountered little to no opposition because plantation owners didnt have the firepower to stop it and the enslaved blacks saw this as their opportunity to free themselves from salvery and manyjoined the movement. By the time Boyer got to the capital he was pretty much handed the keys to the palace because there was a large faction of Dominicans who were FOR THE UNIFICATION of the entire island.

Boyer's own words:
"I have NOT come here as a conqueror but by the will of this city's inhabitants"
 
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I believe that's what Michel Martelly is trying to do. Please don't speak on things you know little about.

I don't know why Dominicans would be so angry about Haitians migrating when they provide cheap labor, similar to how Mexicans provide cheap labor here. Its a win-win.
Haiti is a shythole and a lot of people are immigrating/escaping to the DR. These are common knowledge.
 

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The U.S. ....specifically, the AA community loves to talk about how Haitians rights being violated in DR etc...why don't you march and propose AMNESTY to Haitians so that they can come to the U.S. that way you can kumbaya along with them and end their suffering? :ohhh:


We should probably march for the education system for creating a dumb c*nt like you. :ohhh:
 

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What about Dominicans in Puerto Rico and other islands where they're getting treated like shyt. Hell even in Spain? See how your logic works?

If Dominicans living abroad don't like the way they are being treated then they should take their asses back to DR or suck it up :yeshrug:




I am dark skin Dominican...I grew up there...and have received nothing but praises for my color...

However, I am not denying that it doesn't happen to others

I wish another Dominican would talk shyt about my skin :wtb:
 
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