Does the large Caribbean presence in NYC's Hip Hop scene explain the disconnect with other regions?

[Taadow]

Outside of the tri state and Florida, Jamaicans barely exist.

I don't think this is correct.

 

[K.O.N.Y]

It's just part of our culture up here in NY. When we listen to biggie ( Jamaican), Busta rhymes ( Jamaican), KRS-one ( Jamaican), Pete Rock his style is legendary ( Jamaican). You just accept and adapt.


Also the Carribbean influence is bigger in the Bronx then what is being stated in this thread.

 

[Anerdyblackguy]

Just stating what I'm seeing. I could be wrong.

 

[KravenMorehead™]

Subs

 

[AB Ziggy]

Interesting. How did so many Caribbean people become so pivotal in the beginnings of the culture if the South Bronx itself had a very tiny Caribbean presence?

Coincidence I guess. Much of the Carribean population is concentrated towards the North of Bronx nowadays, especially Wakefield.

The Puerto Ricans and other blacks simply grew at a faster rate than the Carribeans overtime. But the Carribean influence is still there.

 

[ogc163]

Interesting. How did so many Caribbean people become so pivotal in the beginnings of the culture if the South Bronx itself had a very tiny Caribbean presence?

Probably because Jamaicans knowledge of sound systems/audio tech were superior. The South Bronx was all about gangs before hip-hop so they prolly looked at the the few Jamaicans for guidance once parties/and mc'ing became prevalent.

 

[Retired Account]

I don't think this is correct.

Are you Jamaican? Outside of Jamaica, most of my family lives in the tri state, Florida, toronto/gta, and london and this is the true for most Jamaicans.

One-third of Caribbean immigrants resided in the New York-Northern New Jersey-Long Island, NY-NJ-PA metropolitan area.
In 2009, 34.2 percent of the Caribbean born in the United States resided in the New York-Northern New Jersey-Long Island, NY-NJ-PA metropolitan area. A significant share of Caribbean immigrants also resided in the metropolitan areas of Miami-Fort Lauderdale-Pompano Beach, FL (30.2 percent) and Boston-Cambridge-Quincy, MA-NH (3.3 percent).

Caribbean Immigrants in the United States

Coincidence I guess. Much of the Carribean population is concentrated towards the North of Bronx nowadays, especially Wakefield.

The Puerto Ricans and other blacks simply grew at a faster rate than the Carribeans overtime. But the Carribean influence is still there.

The only black population that grew was Africans

 

[AB Ziggy]

Are you Jamaican? Outside of Jamaica, most of my family lives in the tri state, Florida, toronto/gta, and london and this is the true for most Jamaicans.


Caribbean Immigrants in the United States



The only black population that grew was Africans

I know. Them Ghanaians, Gambians, Sierra Lenonians are taking over much of the place. Especially by Mt. Eden.

 

[Taadow]

Are you Jamaican? Outside of Jamaica, most of my family lives in the tri state, Florida, toronto/gta, and london and this is the true for most Jamaicans.

I didn't contest where "most" Jamaicans live...I said they're everywhere.
I'm from the West Coast, and there were plenty of Jamaicans out there...

 

[FruitOfTheVale]

Calling bullshyt on this list. Where are the sources

Bullshyt in what way? The vast majority of these (AZ, KRS, Busta Ryhmes, Fabolous, etc.) are well known.

 

[Retired Account]

I didn't contest where "most" Jamaicans live...I said they're everywhere.
I'm from the West Coast, and there were plenty of Jamaicans out there...

I don't there is enough Jamaicans out there to make a difference

 

[Retired Account]

Bullshyt in what way? The vast majority of these (AZ, KRS, Busta Ryhmes, Fabolous, etc.) are well known.

Jay z and fetty are stretches

 

[Taadow]

I don't there is enough Jamaicans out there to make a difference

Bruh, you can have it.

My point was...there was enough of a Yard influence in music from other regions to where I don't think that's
what causes any "disconnect" between those regions and NYC.

 

[tru_m.a.c]

To be clear, this is the main question: What's in debate is just how big of a Caribbean influence there is on the norms of New York Hip Hop culture and how much does that paint their perception of the Hip Hop scenes in other regions that are not Caribbean-influenced outside of the obvious initial influence of New York.

No the caribbean influence on the music is pretty small. The caribbean influence is seen more within the party scene. A dancehall tune in new york will set off a party.

 

[Techniec]

Thread has me like

It's true tho, here in Toronto growing up all the Jamaican/Caribbean cats were into east coast rap (plus us naturally being under NYs orbit of influence)

And the white kids, to this day

The only cats into non NY music was us immigrants

Maybe cuz our music back home was all Rabab strings, keyboard/accordion music and VERY melody driven

That's why the media (blogs, magazines) never showed southern and west coast music love, those white boys never had melody and rythym