calling god's son a classic is a stretch
hard to call any album with the Bravehearts on it a classic
Zone out was probably the best Bravehearts track imo. The beat made them sound coherent and not like a bunch of weed carriers and one bodyguard.
Does Kendrick have more classics than Nas?
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Zone out was probably the best Bravehearts track imo. The beat made them sound coherent and not like a bunch of weed carriers and one bodyguard.
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Kenny West
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So in other words, Kendrick has as many classics as Nas you say?
You know for all the dikksucking stans in they feelings in this thread it seems to be the consensus amoung non homos that Kendrick is already on Nas level if not surpassed him
It makes sense Nas discography peaked after the first 2 albums
qnsfinest
Superstar
I usually keep my a$$ in the coliseum where the most outlandish thing I hear are about Kobe being the GOAT.
But damn the booth is on some other shyt. Always tryna rewrite history, every time a new artist comes out or an album drops, the Coli is quick to compare it to Nas and or illmatic. That's how you know he is the greatest and that album is the greatest. That's how the bar is, no one gets on here and compares albums to any of Jay's or Cube's or Pac's or even Biggie's, it's always about Nas and illmatic.
I'm not gonna get on here and debate how many classics Nas has (quite a few) to how many Kendrick has (one) but Kendrick is not fukkin with Nas or any of his classics. Damn near 30yrs in the game and he can drop an album next week that will not only be critically acclaimed but will also sell more than 500K. No mc from that era can do that, Jay can sell albums but his shyt ain't been critically acclaimed since American Gangster.
Nas has proved himself time and time again that he is the greatest, top of the mountain. His legacy is etched in stone and no MC can take that away.
I imagine next week you'll start saying how big sean, future, fetty wap, lil whatever the fukk are all better than Nas. I respect everyone's opinion but I might have to start calling out some of you 90's baby's
But damn the booth is on some other shyt. Always tryna rewrite history, every time a new artist comes out or an album drops, the Coli is quick to compare it to Nas and or illmatic. That's how you know he is the greatest and that album is the greatest. That's how the bar is, no one gets on here and compares albums to any of Jay's or Cube's or Pac's or even Biggie's, it's always about Nas and illmatic.
I'm not gonna get on here and debate how many classics Nas has (quite a few) to how many Kendrick has (one) but Kendrick is not fukkin with Nas or any of his classics. Damn near 30yrs in the game and he can drop an album next week that will not only be critically acclaimed but will also sell more than 500K. No mc from that era can do that, Jay can sell albums but his shyt ain't been critically acclaimed since American Gangster.
Nas has proved himself time and time again that he is the greatest, top of the mountain. His legacy is etched in stone and no MC can take that away.
I imagine next week you'll start saying how big sean, future, fetty wap, lil whatever the fukk are all better than Nas. I respect everyone's opinion but I might have to start calling out some of you 90's baby's
Kenny West
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You're not a hip hop fan, and you completely missed my point. Deliberately or otherwise. Which is expected of a rosenberg.
If you really want clarity, reread my posts. It's all there. But if you wanna ramble and shoot from the hip, then I'll have to bid you adieu
Damn deflecting and bowing out already huh, I thought you hated when nikkas do that to you
. Has anyone else on the coli ever chased you out a thread in under 3 replies before?
Classic bars from the GOAT
Stillmatic was a huge record though
Keep in mind when you're looking at that 69 metacritic, its only has 12 reviews
Stillmatic by Nas
The only mediocre reviews it has are from non rap, white publications like Blender, Allmusic and Rolling Stone (Who gave Untitled and Hip Hop is Dead a 4/4 rating later...so make of that what you will)
It doesnt include the influential Hip Hop publications that still were the authority during that era
The album got 5 mics in the source which made Nas the only solo rapper to get 5 mics more than once, which had them scrambling to re-mic albums and not piss people off in January 2002
How metacritic choses to ignore the reviews of established black Hip Hop publications like the Source, Rap Pages and XXL kinda of lends flaw to Stillmatic's placement on that list.
The fact that they can't even compile reviews for It Was Written and that they dont have rankings for A LOT of important Hip Hop albums from the 80s to the early 00s shows that they ignore a lot of black music publications that laid the foundation. Classic albums only end up on metacritic if they are reissued and someone bothers to review them again.
But even
if you're someone who lends credence to metacritic then if you look at God's Son, Lost Tapes, Streets Disciple, Life is Good and Hip Hop is Dead, you'll see they have metacritcs of 80, 81, 80, 80 and 79 respectively. Why is that a big deal?
Ten Years of Metacritic: The Best Music of the Decade
Well that's basically saying those albums hover around the same ranking as Kanye's 2000s catalogue metacritic (Which averages just 81%) and if you look at the metacritic of the 2000s, Nas ranks above Jay-Z, Eminem and Ghostface and really his ranking is only below 80 that decade cause of Stillmatic's flawed aggregate and the polarizing Untitled (Which got 4.5 mics in the source but a poor review in Pitchfork, which a lot can be said of)
We also know that albums like Lost Tapes and Life is Good have been the classic XXL review, an authoratative Hip Hop publication (which Common and Clipse will tell you counts for something for your perception in the culture as Be and Hell Hath No Fury were helped a lot by those reviews before their release) and God Son was one of if not the album of the year of 2002 (Making it as far as Time Magazine's 10 best albums of the year in all of music)
Now granted that doesnt change Kendrick getting a 96 on his last 2 albums but that also tell us he's bigger than Kanye, Jay, Nas, Cube etc
Does it really feel like that already?
Problem with that is its almost the Rotten Tomatoes argument of how these aggregate sites now give extreme ratings to good and bad films in recent years because of how they score up reviews that dont give stars.
Either way, pro or anti metacritic, kinda shows Nas catalogue is pretty strong and has multiple classics.
Nas old albums not being on metacritc means it's easier to inflate his score. If anything his metacritic scores should be higher than Kendricks. And it's not like Kendrick doesn't score well in traditional rap mags, he got a perfect rating on GKMC from XXL and they were too scared to give him another so they didn't review tpab
Put it like this: Is it easier to get a 100% on a 3 question test or a 30 question test?
Furthermore Nas has never dropped the highest rated rap album of all time, Kendrick has twice.
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WAAAAAAH DON'T COMPARE MY HERO TO SOMEONE WHO IS ACHIEVING MORE THAN HIM WAAAAAAAAAAAH
qnsfinest
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What achievements? I hate bringing up album sales but Nas's first 3 albums complete shyt on Kendricks first 3.
illmatic- 1.6 Mil -------------->>>> Section 80 130K or GKMC 1.4 Mil
IWW- 2.6 Mil -------------->>>>>> GKMC 1.4 Mil or G TPAB 900K
I am 2.2 Mil -------------->>>>> TPAB or Damn which I'm willing to bet it sells more than Damn
Nastradamus 1.2 Mil ------->>>>>> Will sell more than Damn
So exactly what achievements are you talking about????
Grammys? okay he has more grammys, but who the fukk pays attention to the grammys when it comes hip hop.
Sit in the corner son, maybe one day you can move up the adults dinner table at thanksgiving.
prophecypro
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You might wanna click on the link I posted: Its top ranked artists in the 2000s. The point I'm making is when people say Nas didnt drop inspired albums after the 90s it shows he was still making some of the best albums the next decade even over artist bigger than him. I highlight that to say he's got a hell of longevity of making good albums if you wanna use your own measure of quality albums which logically tells you got a strong discography.
I'm showing what Nas ranks without overinflation when people say other surprassed him quality albums, they really didnt and he was still one of the best rappers
So even if Kendrick has higher rated albums now, its not been done over a long time and furthermore, we sort of live in an era this decade where the metacritic/RT measure gets questioned given how much blog culture kind of wishes to champion newer acts compared to established publications (e.g. Kanye's metacritic past two albums).
Kendrick is gonna have his place eventually and I think he's the best of this decade, but this odd eagerness from his fans on twitter and here the past week to start taking legends out of the top 10 for him after posting really his first ok album feels very forced. And its not just Nas, like I've seen people (K-Dot, very young fans) this whole week do whole takes on twitter about getting 2pac, Ice Cube, Eminem and Nas off . That sort of stuff leaves you ripe for a backlash
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So in other words, Kendrick has as many classics as Nas you say?
You know for all the dikksucking stans in they feelings in this thread it seems to be the consensus amoung non homos that Kendrick is already on Nas level if not surpassed him
I'm not saying he has surpassed or even met Nas. Just because I think Nas has 2 classics doesn't mean those are his only great albums. Stillmatic is a great album...I just can't say it's a classic based on a couple tracks on it, and I'm not sure what the "impact" argument would be. You could say it revived Nas' career, or recharged it or whatever. In short Stillmatic being a classic or not is a hot debate that I could see both sides of.
Lost Tapes is perfect to me but it's a compilation. I'm not sure I can call it classic because of that.
I'm VERY stingy when it comes to calling things classic though.
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lol illmatic 1.6 mil....that took over a year. That shyt did 50k first week
Funny how sales matter now....Don't let me catch you in a Jay vs Nas thread
More grammies
More acclaim
Highest Rated rap albums ever
Can sell more TODAY than Nas. (Life is good did like 300k tops it's first week. Kendrick doing pretty much 500k with DAMN)
Better music
This is only the beginning
You can't "overinflate" aggregate percentage based scores. The more reviews = the harder it is to control the score. Again, is it harder to get 100% with 5 questions or 20?
This is a good point however those established publications are giving Kendrick the same 5 star treatment as everyone else.
Truth be told all these worshipping stans can suck my dikk, nas wasn't the best in his own era and these nikkas cry because off fukking comparisons. I say let em cry, in another 5 years these comparisons are gonna be deafeningly frequent, you better tell these stans to change their diapers this shyt aint gonna stop
qnsfinest
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I don't give a shyt if it took over 20yrs to sell 1.6, it sold 1.6. How much has section 80 sold so far? 130K, it's not gonna even see 500k in 20yrs let alone 1.6lol illmatic 1.6 mil....that took over a year. That shyt did 50k first week
Funny how sales matter now....Don't let me catch you in a Jay vs Nas thread
More grammies
More acclaim
Highest Rated rap albums ever
Can sell more TODAY than Nas. (Life is good did like 300k tops it's first week. Kendrick doing pretty much 500k with DAMN)
Better music
This is only the beginning
Mackelmore got just as many grammys as Kendrick, that useless trophy holds no weight in hip hop.
What acclaims? I'm still waiting to hear more about these acclaims you're bragging about.
Highest rated rap album ever by who? Every magazine, every hip hop outlet rates illmatic to be the greatest album in hip hop history, or top 3 at worst.
Can sell more today than Nas? Yeah he sold more than Nas's last album, but lets see how long he can keep doing this. "you went platinum, yeah that's nice, now lets see you do the same thing twice, 3 times, 4
times and then a couple of more times". Like I said 30yrs in the biz and still be able to go Gold is no easy task.
Better music? That's a difference of opinion, their are people out there in the world who probably think future and designer and asap rocky are better than Kendrick.
prophecypro
Hollywood North
I'm talking more how music reviews tend to be less critical of an artist their championing even moreso than in previous eras (The Kanye effect). Though there's also the argument about the flaw in metacritic/RTs in recent years compared to before which there's whole articles aboutlol illmatic 1.6 mil....that took over a year. That shyt did 50k first week
Funny how sales matter now....Don't let me catch you in a Jay vs Nas thread
More grammies
More acclaim
Highest Rated rap albums ever
Can sell more TODAY than Nas. (Life is good did like 300k tops it's first week. Kendrick doing pretty much 500k with DAMN)
Better music
This is only the beginning
You can't "overinflate" aggregate percentage based scores. The more reviews = the harder it is to control the score. Again, is it harder to get 100% with 5 questions or 20?
Wasn't refuting that. I'm just making the point that those black and Hip Hop culture gatekeepers rated Nas too (every album 4 mics or above except SD and Nastradamus) so its not like he was any worse than K-Dot int their eyes and thats why Kendrick is the heir apparent.
Ehh debatable at best. To this day everywhere you go people still debate who was the best between the core 4 (BIG, Pac, Nas and Jay) and Nas still gets a fair share of support plus he was the best in the peak year of 94 which was arguably the greatest year (and again in 2002 and top 3-5 the other years)
Kendrick may make good albums over the next 5 years. He may also run into the roadblocks that Kanye and Wayne had when they were assured to be climbing up the rankings, who knows and really who cares. I just hope you're self aware enough that you're doing to Kendrick what you accuse them of doing to Nas (bringing up subjective points of reviews to try and make an objective argument)