nas stans make shyt up. That song charted at fukking 53 on the billboard hot 100.I CAN is his highest charting single at #12
Does Kendrick have more classics than Nas?
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nas stans make shyt up. That song charted at fukking 53 on the billboard hot 100.I CAN is his highest charting single at #12
all y'all saying s.80 is not a classic, S.80>GKMC imo i can play s.80 all day back to back
Couple thoughts from reading this thread...
- Ya'll need to learn the difference between a classic and a masterpiece. A masterpiece's only criteria is that it is a masterful piece of work that puts on a rare level of quality compared to its contemporaries. A classic is an album that has stood the test of time and made a major impact on the history of the media of which it stems from. Ain't no such thing as an "instant classic".
- Lupe Fiasco's 5th album, Tetsuo & Youth, is an obvious masterpiece. However, it's not a classic because 1) It's only 2 years old and 2) It didn't sell very well and therefore didn't have a huge impact on the genre as a whole. Therefore it does not qualify as being a classic. The Cool is 10 years old, sold really well, made a significant impact, and was a masterful piece of art, so that album has more of a case for being a classic hip hop album.
- Illmatic is both a classic and a masterpiece. It's not only stood the test of time being 20+ years old, but it's incredible quality also makes it an easy call as a masterpiece. Other obvious albums that are both classics and masterpieces include Aquemini, Reasonable Doubt, Ready to Die, 36 Chambers, etc.
- To Pimp a Butterfly is a clear masterpiece, and should have no problem being a classic as it ages.
As for Kendrick's discography, I honestly think Section 80 is better than GKMC.
S80 had ADHD, Ronald Reagan Era, Poe Man's Dream, Keisha's Song, Rigamortus, Kush & Corinthians, Ab-Soul's Outro and HiiiPower. Those are among KDot's very best material.
GMKC is great, but it can't hold up to that imo. It just had the machine and media hype behind it more. It has arguably his best record in Sing For Me which is otherworldly beautiful. It also has mAAd city which is hip hop at it's absolute pinnacle. It also has a personal favorite of mine in Real and the fantastic Compton. Money Trees features a heck of a verse from Jay Rock, but as an overall body of work, song for song, S80 is just better to me.
TPAB is his best project and one of the best albums I've heard, and to call an album that isn't even 1 week old a classic stupid, so we're not even going to go there, but DAMN. is definitely a great album and could arguably end up being his second best album when the dust settles.
Nas has 4 undeniables in Illmatic (arguably the best rap album EVER, which gives him bonus points), It Was Written (the album some say is better than the best rap album ever), Stillmatic, and Lost Tapes. Life is Good was also great and underappreciated. Nas has put in the time and has a large body of work that consists of classic material, a couple duds, and albums that - while not perfect - are still damn good.
I think Kendrick is one of the greats in the game, but threads like this are why people will inevitably detest him. No he does not have more classics than Nas. Nor is he a better rapper. The nikka is not even 30 years old yet. Relax.
- Ya'll need to learn the difference between a classic and a masterpiece. A masterpiece's only criteria is that it is a masterful piece of work that puts on a rare level of quality compared to its contemporaries. A classic is an album that has stood the test of time and made a major impact on the history of the media of which it stems from. Ain't no such thing as an "instant classic".
- Lupe Fiasco's 5th album, Tetsuo & Youth, is an obvious masterpiece. However, it's not a classic because 1) It's only 2 years old and 2) It didn't sell very well and therefore didn't have a huge impact on the genre as a whole. Therefore it does not qualify as being a classic. The Cool is 10 years old, sold really well, made a significant impact, and was a masterful piece of art, so that album has more of a case for being a classic hip hop album.
- Illmatic is both a classic and a masterpiece. It's not only stood the test of time being 20+ years old, but it's incredible quality also makes it an easy call as a masterpiece. Other obvious albums that are both classics and masterpieces include Aquemini, Reasonable Doubt, Ready to Die, 36 Chambers, etc.
- To Pimp a Butterfly is a clear masterpiece, and should have no problem being a classic as it ages.
As for Kendrick's discography, I honestly think Section 80 is better than GKMC.
S80 had ADHD, Ronald Reagan Era, Poe Man's Dream, Keisha's Song, Rigamortus, Kush & Corinthians, Ab-Soul's Outro and HiiiPower. Those are among KDot's very best material.
GMKC is great, but it can't hold up to that imo. It just had the machine and media hype behind it more. It has arguably his best record in Sing For Me which is otherworldly beautiful. It also has mAAd city which is hip hop at it's absolute pinnacle. It also has a personal favorite of mine in Real and the fantastic Compton. Money Trees features a heck of a verse from Jay Rock, but as an overall body of work, song for song, S80 is just better to me.
TPAB is his best project and one of the best albums I've heard, and to call an album that isn't even 1 week old a classic stupid, so we're not even going to go there, but DAMN. is definitely a great album and could arguably end up being his second best album when the dust settles.
Nas has 4 undeniables in Illmatic (arguably the best rap album EVER, which gives him bonus points), It Was Written (the album some say is better than the best rap album ever), Stillmatic, and Lost Tapes. Life is Good was also great and underappreciated. Nas has put in the time and has a large body of work that consists of classic material, a couple duds, and albums that - while not perfect - are still damn good.
I think Kendrick is one of the greats in the game, but threads like this are why people will inevitably detest him. No he does not have more classics than Nas. Nor is he a better rapper. The nikka is not even 30 years old yet. Relax.
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TrebleMan
Superstar
Everything is subjective really.
Why not just enjoy their music for what it is to you on a personal level?
Why not just enjoy their music for what it is to you on a personal level?
Like what you like... and keep it pushin.
the 1 thing ive noticed from newer hip hop fans (and artist) is that they dont know how to be respectful, pay homage, show reverence etc... they comparing dudes who just got in the game to dudes who have been in the game for like 20yrs. how u gonna compare an artist like kendrick, who is doing well in an era where hip hop is a mainstream thing. You can say hip hop is fully matured and close to middle age now. Hip hop was in its adolescence/teenage yrs when nas was doing his thing. Nas, jay, pac, big, snoop, mobb, Wu; all these nikkaz taught hip hop how to talk cool, bush their hair, lace their shoes up, talk to girls, etc.
There is no kendrick or cole with out Nas.
Kendrick and cole are still fake smart, fake deep nikkaz. but im happy they exist, compared to other shyt
the 1 thing ive noticed from newer hip hop fans (and artist) is that they dont know how to be respectful, pay homage, show reverence etc... they comparing dudes who just got in the game to dudes who have been in the game for like 20yrs. how u gonna compare an artist like kendrick, who is doing well in an era where hip hop is a mainstream thing. You can say hip hop is fully matured and close to middle age now. Hip hop was in its adolescence/teenage yrs when nas was doing his thing. Nas, jay, pac, big, snoop, mobb, Wu; all these nikkaz taught hip hop how to talk cool, bush their hair, lace their shoes up, talk to girls, etc.
There is no kendrick or cole with out Nas.
Kendrick and cole are still fake smart, fake deep nikkaz. but im happy they exist, compared to other shyt
Rigby.
The #1 Rated Mixtape of all Time
Illmatic and IWW >>> the best of Kendrick's 4 albums combined.
I gotta be real with myself as a Kendrick stan, if you gotta question whether an album has real classic potential, its not a classic. Like TPAB has potential to be a classic. A defining album of its time. DAMN, does not.
I gotta be real with myself as a Kendrick stan, if you gotta question whether an album has real classic potential, its not a classic. Like TPAB has potential to be a classic. A defining album of its time. DAMN, does not.
1/2 Man 1/2 Hennessy
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Nas didnt try to sell out. Nothing about IWW was selling out, his music and perspective changed with his lifestyle after he got money from Illmatic. Just cause the nikka can afford to dress like a rich nikka don't mean he tryna be a pop star lol.you didnt address my point though
if nas didnt try to sell out and failed, he wouldve had a better career <-- cant dispute this
Nas' career trajectory got fukked up with the year leading up to I Am, which was gonna be a double album called I Am... Nastradamus included songs that ended up on the Lost Tapes, got bootlegged before it was finished. Thus forcing him to re record the album as well as Nastradamus.
Disk 1
- Fetus (Belly Button Window)
- NY State Of Mind Pt. II
- Life Is What You Make It
- Small World
- Hardest Thing To Do Is Stay Alive
- Poppa Was a Playa
- Nas Is Like
- Blaze A 50
- Favor For A Favor
- We Will Survive
- Some Of Us Have Angels
- Project Windows
- Day Dreaming, Stay Scheming
- Sometimes I Wonder
- Undying Love
- After Life (Intro)
- Amongst Kings
- Life We Chose
- Drunk By Myself
- Pray
- God Love Us
- Ghetto Prisoners
- Last Words
- Family
- Come Get Me
- Find Your Wealth
- U Gotta Love It
- Wanna Play Rough
- The Rise And Fall
- My Worst Enemy
Only problem with this is, if this album came out, i don't know if we would ever got Stillmatic considering the predicament his career was in at that moment but who knows
Action Mike
All praise..
Nas was sharking Killah Priest something vicious but hey that's water under the bridge.
Kendrick has 3 classic albums....... this album is no classic and that's okay
Nas has illmattic, IWW, StillMatic and Streets Disciple
prophecypro
Hollywood North
I 100% agree with you about Masterpiece vs classics. I think because people in Hip Hop automatically assume a classic can only be a perfect album (aka a masterpiece) we get a lot of confusion about that when discussing classics too
prophecypro
Hollywood North
It Was Written was number 1 on the Billboard 200 for 4 weeks and If I Rule the World was number 1 on the R&B/Rap singles and in the top 10 for the summer. Thats why you have the confusion about the single charting on mainstream chart vs the black music one.
Illmatic
It was written
Stillmatic
Life is good
Distant relatives
All classics
FACTS!
at this dumb thread
Breh1 definite classic? It was written is arguably better than Illmatic imo. definitely Classic.....
Kendrick fan but, Illmatic and It was Written shyts on Kendrick's discography so far.
I've been preaching this for the longest! People are always putting illmatic as #1 and it may be better lyrically but It was written is a better all around album