Does Atheism Lead to Nihilism?
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I dont believe or suscribe in notion of nihilism. Nor do I believe the opposite.
Purpose in life is an abstraction, its a complex human thought process to define the world around us.
As is religion and laws.
But that doesnt negate or invalidate having purpose
Most humans need structure, which is why religious rituals are good for the masses
What the churches in jamaica doing to relieve the country of its violence epidemic.
Jamaica hasthe most churches per sq mile
but thats the point of this thread, you say nihilism is an end goal/understanding and im showing you why its really like excrement
you say classes, but that was conditioned information for you by someone who was already your superior. Then tested you on their own basis of understanding.
Thats just one way of learning, and inherently you play the role of senpai. God teaches us to see past the separations of the world and have mastery over it. Something that cant be taught in school because it is for profit (inherently to pull more out of you than its putting into you)
So yes i will do that for your own sake.
I didn't say it was an end goal.
As long as you ascribe meaning to life, youre making it up at that very moment.
Oh, now science education is indoctrination.
Do you really want to go there?
You're intellectually inferior to me, on this statement alone, but it wont stop your arrogance
I'd ask you to define this god/dikkhead/useless fukkboy but you'd move the goalposts
I hope hell exists just to see you there
Ganso Bomb
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But if it all originates from the human mind and 'meaning' is entirely based on what we decide it is, then it's not objective.
I'm not saying you can't apply subjective meaning and purpose to your life. I'm saying that, without the existence of a higher power, that purpose doesn't exist outside of what you decided it to be.
Whether you want to call it Nihilism or not, that's what it is.
we are in agreement
if what they say is true about you having multiple users on one account is true ill let you believe whatever whos logged in believesOh, now science education is indoctrination.
Do you really want to go there?
You're intellectually inferior to me, on this statement alone, but it wont stop your arrogance
but yes science education is indoctrination, that doesnt imply its all bad. But it is indoctrination
God is within you, so what you say about him is a reflection of how you view reality
the fact that I see you is proof hell doesnt exist
Fillerguy
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I don't have an answer and I'm at a point in my life where I think its irrelevant or doesn't exist. Explained below
I can't speak for anyone else but I believe objective meaning or value does not exist in the universe. These are man made concepts that will persist because man continues to think them up. Take away humanity and those concepts are gone.
There's an interaction from the Hogfather that sums up my stance on concepts like inherent value. Believe it or not, nihilism was never supposed to be the conclusion...it was Nietzsches attempt to explain the pits falls of not having a system of beliefs. His goal was to establish or encourage the creation of a new system that replaces Christianity. For if you take away God, how do we convince the average yorkle to NOT do what he wills/can?
Most would say I don't believe in a deity....they'd mostly be right. I don't believe objective value exists yet that has nothing do with my lack of belief in the gods. My "atheism" came first. My stance on objective value is relatively recent and lead to be being less atheist. I'm more spiritual and apologetic to religion now than I ever been in my life. I believe the lack of religion will be negative impact on Humanity as a whole. Yall nikkas need Jesus, just not so much.
Tldr; I hard disagree with the OP.
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This quote literally can be turned around on you.
You don't know your god's plan. This means you cannot say there IS an objective purpose.
Your positions are extraordinarily narrowminded and biased.
Morality is a concept that can be scientifically proven to come about in godless societies. The Golden Rule is based on survival of the species-- you don't kill people your community because you rely on them for survival, for example.
Animals that have a social structure have no need for a god; bees don't know of nor worship your god, but create intricate societies that look after one another and protect their queen and hive at the cost of their own lives.
Lions form social orders where many lionesses will hunt for the benefit of the pride.
Orcas form pods and protect each other from outside threats, such as great whites, but they don't kill each other in the pod.
Elephants are well known for the societies they develop, and how they protect the young in the group from outsiders, even if those young do not belong to them.
None of these animals can read a book about a deity, and yet somehow, they have a moral compass that leads them to protect and look after those that look like them.
This is one of the funniest things I've read on this board.
Fam, just because a person doesn't believe in a fairy tale does not mean their lives don't have value or purpose
You create your value and purpose on this planet. The art you create, the lives you touch, the impact you leave on your community-- all of these things matter to the living.
The irony is that if you believe in a god, YOU literally believe that there is no purpose to this material world. You think you're going to have a life after this life, literally making this one a stupid roadblock that means nothing in the infinite afterlife.
Atheists value this life because this is the only one we get.
No, you can't do this, because atheism is simply the lack of a belief in a god. You keep ascribing traits to atheism that do not apply. Atheists are not a monolithic group of people where you can say things about them like this. They are a WILDLY varied group with billions of different ideas and beliefs. They come from different cultures with different concepts of the world around them.
The only thing you can safely say about all atheists is they lack a belief in a god. That's it. Stop this shyt.
This is wild. You are literally describing religious people and somehow flipping this on atheists.
Fam-- you believe in a god that has some type of plan. That literally means YOU don't have free will.
The amount of projection here is insane
Ganso Bomb
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So best case scenario: the reason religion is a net positive on society is because they hold ancient, divine truths and the God that made us did so with a purpose; I personally believe to overcome our carnal nature and reflect his glory on Earth.(Kind of similar to the Fallen angel meets ape thing in the excerpt you shared. I like that.)
Or worst case scenario: we have to make up lies and trick ourselves into believing them to prevent our inevitable self-destruction...that's bleak as fukk
This whole discussion makes me wanna read Ecclesiastes
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Jeremiah 7:18
so worshipping queens reduces you to the status of an insect
God is truly good to israel 
@Koichos
Fill Collins
I didn't mean to verge!
I don't believe in any deity and by definition I am a nihilist 
There ain't a universal purpose in life man has to follow, you make your own
Wanna know why you're here? Your ol boy ain't pull out and your ol girl ain't bring out the coat hanger
There ain't a universal purpose in life man has to follow, you make your own
Wanna know why you're here? Your ol boy ain't pull out and your ol girl ain't bring out the coat hanger
This quote literally can be turned around on you.
You don't know your god's plan. This means you cannot say there IS an objective purpose.
Your positions are extraordinarily narrowminded and biased.
Morality is a concept that can be scientifically proven to come about in godless societies. The Golden Rule is based on survival of the species-- you don't kill people your community because you rely on them for survival, for example.
Animals that have a social structure have no need for a god; bees don't know of nor worship your god, but create intricate societies that look after one another and protect their queen and hive at the cost of their own lives.
Lions form social orders where many lionesses will hunt for the benefit of the pride.
Orcas form pods and protect each other from outside threats, such as great whites, but they don't kill each other in the pod.
Elephants are well known for the societies they develop, and how they protect the young in the group from outsiders, even if those young do not belong to them.
None of these animals can read a book about a deity, and yet somehow, they have a moral compass that leads them to protect and look after those that look like them.
This is one of the funniest things I've read on this board.
Fam, just because a person doesn't believe in a fairy tale does not mean their lives don't have value or purpose
You create your value and purpose on this planet. The art you create, the lives you touch, the impact you leave on your community-- all of these things matter to the living.
The irony is that if you believe in a god, YOU literally believe that there is no purpose to this material world. You think you're going to have a life after this life, literally making this one a stupid roadblock that means nothing in the infinite afterlife.
Atheists value this life because this is the only one we get.
No, you can't do this, because atheism is simply the lack of a belief in a god. You keep ascribing traits to atheism that do not apply. Atheists are not a monolithic group of people where you can say things about them like this. They are a WILDLY varied group with billions of different ideas and beliefs. They come from different cultures with different concepts of the world around them.
The only thing you can safely say about all atheists is they lack a belief in a god. That's it. Stop this shyt.
This is wild. You are literally describing religious people and somehow flipping this on atheists.
Fam-- you believe in a god that has some type of plan. That literally means YOU don't have free will.
The amount of projection here is insane
A christian's purpose is the service of God because it's what the Bible says. The Bible is pretty authoritative on these issues.
It depends on how we define morals I guess. If morals would be anything about how things are meant to be, you'd need a God.
Fam, just because a person doesn't believe in a fairy tale does not mean their lives don't have value or purpose
You create your value and purpose on this planet. The art you create, the lives you touch, the impact you leave on your community-- all of these things matter to the living.
A purpose requires design or creation, which by definition doesn't happen in an atheistic universe. You can't say we have a purpose if we can't by definition.
“It is your Father's pleasure to give you the kingdom,” said Jesus.
Nihilism is basically saying your life doesn't have any intrinsic value.
We know all know what atheism is but assuming someone is using logic, we can reach some conclusions about the way the universe should be if it's without a deity.
What am I asking you, birdman, How does the lack of belief in a deity not necessarily logically lead to nihilism?
In other words, with no supreme being outside-the-universe purpose-giver, how can there be objective purpose?
That's it.