Does Anyone Here Actually Care What Russia Does To Ukraine?

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i don’t believe china will invade for one obvious reason: its economy is too dependent on american investment.

we won’t have to drop a single bomb or fire a single bullet to bring china’s economy to a screeching halt. wholesale divestment of american business will serve that purpose.

most of the fears some of us fall prey to is carefully manufactured propaganda that serves the military industrial complex.
Autocrats do not think in terms of the 'now'. They want to thought of as some transcending figure....If XI senses weakness he will move.
He can re-write the "economic rules" of the world order after he wins. Winners make the rules
 

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Also some might not agree but I think the next WW on our side will use technology more than bodies.
So I am not sure about the draft changes, also this new generation will resist like hell into getting drafted. :russ:
The Pentagon is field testing all sorts of fly shyt against a near-peer in Russia at basically near-zero cost.

What's the L here?
 

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a lot of cries of betrayal are circling the net after this stopgap passed, critics of it saying ukraine was thrown under the bus. mind you, this comes AFTER billions have recently been approved, with ukraine receiving a shipment of m1 abrams tanks just days ago.

do any of you actually care what happens to ukraine? is this something that should be a concern of black people? does the defense of ukraine improve the material reality of black america at all? does defending her from russia play a significant role in reversing the socioeconomic disrepair suffered by our people?

i’ll end this by saying that when russia stepped up its invasion, ukraine forbid its black population from leaving the country. is that a nation black people should be rallying behind?

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Somewhat. But I care about killing dictators and laughing in their faces like when Ukraine bombed and killed the daughter of the dude that wrote that book about political dominance over all races and white superiority. I would kill you, on person, for speaking confidently about sone shyt like that.
 

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If a whole country can be "baited" into invading its neighbor, can I "bait" you into sucking my dikk?

Yes or no?

Either you have autonomy or you don't.
You're a weirdo Chamdala. Chamdala, if you own land, and neighbor start surrounding your land with cannons pointed at your land. Are you not gonna bust your guns Chamdala?
 

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Russia blinked. Now they have to own it.

Don't cry about it.
Chamdala, you dont keep the same energy. Chamdala, ive seen you agree the other way around.

lets get something right, who am i talking to? Chandra or Chamdala?
 

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i don’t believe china will invade for one obvious reason: its economy is too dependent on american investment.

we won’t have to drop a single bomb or fire a single bullet to bring china’s economy to a screeching halt. wholesale divestment of american business will serve that purpose.

most of the fears some of us fall prey to is carefully manufactured propaganda that serves the military industrial complex.
That is a double edged sword. I don't believe we can pull the plug on china if they invaded taiwan either because of the reliance. We honestly need them more than they need us. China would keep going even if we sanctioned them much like Russia or Iran do.


Keep in mind they have a country much like Russia where they are authoritarian and don't give a damn about voting citizens. Compare that to us where if we embargoed china or used real sanctions on them ; our elected politicians would feel pressure or be outright deposed ; whereas China can keep pushing forward cause they got that iron grip on their people like putin. Imagine a situation where Republicans outright side with Xi cause of pressure from the business community. So , Rather than appease their people as the economy stagnates , China will just revert to Mao-era tactics like making citizens disappear in reeducation camps so consequences are much less lax for them .



Furthermore, brics was formed specifically to decouple from america. So I don't think Brazil or India or Iran or Indonesia or Russia will stop trading with China just because big-daddy-white man in america told them to stop. I also don't think some of our more trade dependent allies like Germany would side with our sanctions either because Germany's industrial industry would collapse overnight if China cut them off so they would keep trading with China the same way they pay lip service and keep trading with Russia.
 

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I care. I can also see the implications if the US didn't at the very least give aid. Clearly, most in here haven't studied WW2 in any great detail.

International politics isn't some shyt where you can hide your crib. It always will come to your doorstep.

geopolitics and it's ramifications eludes a lot of people. let russia take control of all of ukraine the breadbasket of the world and watch them and OPEC+ hold the world hostage, food shortages to further russian policy goals. massive immigration waves to escape it. even higher food and energy prices everywhere else. if you care about food and oil prices, ukraine developing it's oil & gas fields even further will get the hundreds of billions from europe that russia use to get. ukraine ain't gonna play nicely with OPEC in that scenario either which would be great for gas prices.
 
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Autocrats do not think in terms of the 'now'. They want to thought of as some transcending figure....If XI senses weakness he will move.
He can re-write the "economic rules" of the world order after he wins. Winners make the rules
the “now” is all that matters when it comes to the material backing of a war.

china has no military might without an economic base to buttress it. america isn’t as dependent on outside investment as she is, so a war wouldn’t exhaust our finances the way it would hers.

the world is much different than it was during wwii. the idea that china can conjure up a militarily capable challenge to america after she’s drained of our entrepreneurial investment is fantasy.
 

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Basically Hitler wasn't even "Hitler" when he started making moves...and we saw how that turned out. Europe isn't going to wait to find out again.
Correct, Hitler was not Hitler. He was just a broke dictator trying to reorganize the country. He invaded the Rhineland starting in 1936 which not only gave him resources, but position in his March across Europe. Much like Ukraine is the only year-round access to the Mediterranean and the broader Atlantic for much of their Navy. EVERY OTHER sea port freezes for part of the year. This whole war is a play not to just rebuild the USSR, but to reclaim the entire Russian Federation.

US tried to stay out of WW2 and just give supplies to allies; and there were calls NOT to even do that by many of the politicians of the day. Eventually a line was crossed and they had to cock block oil exports into Japan. Subsequently Japan attacked pearl harbor, and there we go.

We don't stop Russia from Ukraine, Russia doubles back, gets the sanctions lifted or reduced, they go after Moldova. This would be the 4th time in less than 20 years they done this shyt. China says fukk it, Russia is going after their old territory, we're going after Taiwan and later the Philippines. US says fukk Taiwan like that idiot Ramaswamy and numerous other Republicans have said. Eventually other countries stop fukking with the US. Japan and Korea strap up. Germany straps up. UK if they get their head out their ass straps up. Sweden, Finland and Poland are already READY to fukking go right now. Japan and SK are big sleepers when it comes to this war shyt, they are literally just waiting for the okay's from their governments to ramp up, they have decent military technology as it is.

It turns into one giant nuclear powder keg, that the US...for all of our bullshyt, had relative control over. We would've had a nuclear war back in the 60s with or without a Cuban Missile crisis if there was no US Marshall Plan.

Its a bitter pill to swallow, but giving aid to Ukraine is hopefully death by 1000 cuts to the current Russian regime and disincentivizes China from getting any goofy plans until Xi is replaced.
 
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