Doechii's album "ABNH" was what Hip Hop heads were waiting for but it went under the radar so now you can't complain about Sexyy Red and Ice Spice.

[Still Benefited]

This is hate.

Who then? SZA who remade her image over many times,was once a quirky lesbian with "freckles" turned bbl sex kitten. Consistently with manufactured drama/antics to create discussion?


Was it Kendrick? Who was passed the torch by Dre/Snoop/Game while having less motion than a Herschell Walker spelling bee? Signed to Dre and his new protege,but no really.?


Theres nothing wrong with getting that forced push like they did. No one can deny once folks were brainwashed into checking for them,they were able to gain genuine fans and keep our attention. Labels have attempted to force many people,and most dont stick. I suspect Doechi will fall into that category based on what ive seen so far. Heard her rnb and wasnt that impressed. Heard her rap and was even less enthusiastic. She has a bright future in podcasting or Love and Hiphop. Nothing wrong with that.

 

[Still Benefited]

I don't personally see the hype but I don't get the pseudo-A&R obsession of "b bu but she's a plant, she was doing XYZ before...."

Cool. Do you like her music, or not? Because that's all that matters, and it's not going to be hinged on how she got into the music industry.

Fred.

Hiphop is not pop music.


Label creations deserve somewhat of an asterisks. Its not hate,and yes the music quality is what matters most. But it should be noted for clarity. Especially when the praise and accolades dont match the talent. And no,i havent listened to the album i only saw that tiny desk(as far as her rapping). I will reluctantly find time to listen to the album and see if that makes any difference. Since opinions seem to be so far apart in this thread.

 

[The War Report]

The narratives some of you come up with.

 

[Pure Water]

Who then? SZA who remade her image over many times,was once a quirky lesbian with "freckles" turned bbl sex kitten. Consistently with manufactured drama/antics to create discussion?


Was it Kendrick? Who was passed the torch by Dre/Snoop/Game while having less motion than a Herschell Walker spelling bee? Signed to Dre and his new protege,but no really.?


Theres nothing wrong with getting that forced push like they did. No one can deny once folks were brainwashed into checking for them,they were able to gain genuine fans and keep our attention. Labels have attempted to force many people,and most dont stick. I suspect Doechi will fall into that category based on what ive seen so far. Heard her rnb and wasnt that impressed. Heard her rap and was even less enthusiastic. She has a bright future in podcasting or Love and Hiphop. Nothing wrong with that.

I think the problem is you're ignoring what these artist were doing before their big push.

All of TDE artist were working on music before they blew up. They had multiple projects where people could see their work to give the major labels something to push. You think TDE is doing this by themselves? No, they have major labels backing for most of their artist. You don't get that without having some type of tangible product that is quality.

SZA dropped 3 projects (2 without TDE) before her debut album. Kendrick getting crowned with S.80 was because they seen what the world would see just a year later with GKMC. Dre didn't just want Kendrick because he was easily marketable. It's because the nikkas was truly the next GOAT. It's easy to see that type of potential when you're not blind. All of the artist on TDE came from hard work.

 

[Pure Water]

Hiphop is not pop music.


Label creations deserve somewhat of an asterisks. Its not hate,and yes the music quality is what matters most. But it should be noted for clarity. Especially when the praise and accolades dont match the talent. And no,i havent listened to the album i only saw that tiny desk(as far as her rapping). I will reluctantly find time to listen to the album and see if that makes any difference. Since opinions seem to be so far apart in this thread.

Based on how you phrase this every single hip-hop artist is a label creation.

 

[Still Benefited]

I think the problem is you're ignoring what these artist were doing before their big push.

All of TDE artist were working on music before they blew up. They had multiple projects where people could see their work to give the major labels something to push. You think TDE is doing this by themselves? No, they have major labels backing for most of their artist. You don't get that without having some type of tangible product that is quality.

SZA dropped 3 projects (2 without TDE) before her debut album. Kendrick getting crowned with S.80 was because they seen what the world would see just a year later with GKMC. Dre didn't just want Kendrick because he was easily marketable. It's because the nikkas was truly the next GOAT. It's easy to see that type of potential when you're not blind. All of the artist on TDE came from hard work.

I guess you think my idea of a plant is Milli Vanilli. I know they both had projects out. But are you telling me Section 80 was so great that Dre,Snoop,Game decided to pass him the torch on some genuine fan shyt? Because im saying they did so on some favor,label shyt. Now thats a move that would have people believe "Oh he must be the truth,i need to check for him". Plus making him out to be the next Dr Dre protege,discovered by Dre. Thats also a fake narrative to create interest.


You can say they worked hard if you want. But they work wasnt nearly as hard as people who had to gain momentum organiacally,BEFORE getting the type of label push they got without being hot like that. How you "King of The West" when none of my young cousins know you or talked about you before G.K.M.C?


Why dont yall like hearing a artist push didnt start out organically? If i acknowledge their following later became real despite the forced start? Its just a feather in your hat if you became a star,no cosigns,no forced push out the gate.

 

[Pure Water]

I guess you think my idea of a plant is Milli Vanilli. I know they both had projects out. But are you telling me Section 80 was so great that Dre,Snoop,Game decided to pass him the torch on some genuine fan shyt? Because im saying they did so on some favor,label shyt. Now thats a move that would have people believe "Oh he must be the truth,i need to check for him". Plus making him out to be the next Dr Dre protege,discovered by Dre. Thats also a fake narrative to create interest.


You can say they worked hard if you want. But they work wasnt nearly as hard as people who had to gain momentum organiacally,BEFORE getting the type of label push they got without being hot like that. How you "King of The West" when none of my young cousins know you or talked about you before G.K.M.C?


Why dont yall like hearing a artist push didnt start out organically? If i acknowledge their following later became real despite the forced start? Its just a feather in your hat if you became a star,no cosigns,no forced push out the gate.

Yes.

This is Kendricks discography before the co-sign.

Youngest Head nikka in Charge (2003)
Training Day (2005)
No Sleep 'Til NYC (2007)
Kendrick Lamar EP (2009)
Overly Dedicated (2010)
Section.80 (2011)

That's a hefty amount of work imo. Not even counting the writing he did for other nikkas. That's all before the public co-sign from Dre, Snoop, and Game.

Because. What the hell does "organically" mean? The shyt is a excuse to downplay someone's success. I don't know of a single artist that has lasted more than 3-5 years of popularity that was not pushed by their label. Name them.

 

[Still Benefited]

Based on how you phrase this every single hip-hop artist is a label creation.

Nah,weve seen plenty of rappers rise unfold naturally. Whether it be via internet,the streets/word of mouth. Plants are the ones that have you wondering "why are they trying to force this person to be a thing?"


And i listened to her album Alligator Bites Dont Heal. If i had one word to describe it?contrived


Contrived-"Deliberately created rather than arising naturally or spontaneously.

created or arranged in a way that seems artificial and unrealistic"


Perfect review of that album. Sounds like someone said "Get me a list of everything hiphop purist will eat up. Then list me some weirdo rappers who are considered genius who we can emmulate. And dont forgot to pay homage to legends. Oldheads on internet forums are gonna love that. Is Alchemist available?"


Yall dont really like this album,this is nostalgia talking. And people giving it credit because its the antithesis of what they currently hate(thot/hellhound rap). Just like when any hardcore shyt could make the cut during the shiny suit era. Ill check back in a year

 

[Pure Water]

Nah,weve seen plenty of rappers rise unfold naturally. Whether it be via internet,the streets/word of mouth. Plants are the ones that have you wondering "why are they trying to force this person to be a thing?"

Name them.

 

[Lhark]

ABNH is not under the radar at all

 

[Still Benefited]

Name them.

How far back can I go? To keep it fairly recent I'll say Future,Migos, Sada Baby,Sauce Walka,Kodak Black,Nicki Minaj,YG,Rich Homie Quan. And obviously not all of these names are as big as Kendrick or ever will be. But point is they were all more known than Kendrick was when Section 80 was out. Meaning that if these artist suddenly start getting a crazy push. Or nikkas in they city was calling them "the king". It wouldn't appear to be out of left field where your left wondering "who is this nikka:Gucci:?" If L.A dudes didn't have Kendrick blinders on today,and had the truth serum. Its a good chance they wasn't listening to Kendrick back then.

 

[987654321]

She comes across very forced and performative. Can't get into it


I think in terms of Female rap Glorilla is killing it right now

I like Glorilla, she’s cool but I don’t get any forced and performative vibes from Doechii’s album. I tried listening to some of her older stuff after the latest album. She seemed like a Nicki/Azalea clone before she found her own thing.

And thank you for the woman perspective.

 

[Still Benefited]

Yes.

This is Kendricks discography before the co-sign.

Youngest Head nikka in Charge (2003)
Training Day (2005)
No Sleep 'Til NYC (2007)
Kendrick Lamar EP (2009)
Overly Dedicated (2010)
Section.80 (2011)

That's a hefty amount of work imo. Not even counting the writing he did for other nikkas. That's all before the public co-sign from Dre, Snoop, and Game.

Because. What the hell does "organically" mean? The shyt is a excuse to downplay someone's success. I don't know of a single artist that has lasted more than 3-5 years of popularity that was not pushed by their label. Name them.

Work that nobody cared about until the forced push,not even Section 80. And he was signed to Aftermath before Section 80. But more narratives,placements,and torches had to be handed out to move the needle.

I'm not downplaying his success if I acknowledge he delivered on the forced push. He just happens to be a forced push that we can look back on favorably,and in retrospect say he deserved it and the label was right. I just think they are about to go 2 for 3 with Doechi. But I was wrong the other two times so maybe she will make the same leap

Is saying they needed help and development a nicer way to put it for you?

 

[LauderdaleBoss]

I fukk with her singing and her look and image is dope, but I can't be bothered with her rapping

never been a fan of that quirky rappity rap overly animated, voice switch up fukking style. shyt gets annoying fast.

Would rather listen to 3DNatee if we talking about spitting.

 

[dubsmith_nz]

Her album has been bubbling organically and the industry has slowly caught up once they saw how big her tour was and how dope she was live. It's amazing to see an album actually generating more views and streams multiple months after it's release.

The comparisons to Kendrick with Section 80 are very real. That album came out with minimal sales but the quality and grind made everyone take notice. Ideally she will have 2025 locked up with a new project.