Tell it to me straight. What are the good tracks on this album? What is she doing or saying that is so great. I don't care that she may or may not be better than such and such or who ever.
She’s light years beyond all the mid bullshyt other lady artists are dropping. She isn’t just being pushed, she’s actually being celebrated out here. I use my dorky ass neice as a measure. If her and her friends are into it it’s an official movement lol
Doechii's album "ABNH" was what Hip Hop heads were waiting for but it went under the radar so now you can't complain about Sexyy Red and Ice Spice.
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Wrong wrong wrong. God damn, yall really just say shyt on here huh. After the release and success of his debut studio album Section.80 (2011), Kendrick Lamar signed a major label record deal with Interscope Records and Dr. Dre's Aftermath Entertainment.Your right,Mike Brown wasn't until 2014. So they must have saw something else. But he was already on Aftermath before Section 80. As for the rest of what you said. People can take whatever path they want to,what matters is the result. But why do y'all have an issue with people pointing out it wasn't organic if ultimately it doesn't matter? When you start comparing goats these things do matter though. I only bought it up in here because it's relevant to the topic,and shows a pattern. It's not like I randomly bought it up out the blue to dismiss Kendrick. That's just how y'all took it,because in y'alls hearts y'all know in hip-hop "getting it out the mud" hits different. Being self made with zero cosigns holds a different type of weight. Biggie had Puffy and has an asterisk. Biggie and Pac died,so Nas and Jay have that asterisk. Hate it or love it,Kendricks career path will be held against him. For the forced push he received that greatly benefited him. And there's no evidence he could've garnered buzz from a large audience without it. It's even questionable locally if he could've locked the city up. Could he have locked up the internet? There's no evidence to say yes because he never did in any regard.
But by yalls standards, I don't think theres a single "organic" artist out there. I mean, he basically follows a similar path that Future does who you credit for having an organic come up
Mike Brown wasn't until 2014. So they must have saw something else
Yea, a talented artist worth investing in
Your theory falls apart trying to stake claim that he doesn't have an organic come up right there, because what's more organic than working as an independent artist, being signed to an independent label, and working your music up to the point where Dr Dre and Interscope are hitting your phone. This is a tiresome discussion.
Yea, a talented artist worth investing in
Your theory falls apart trying to stake claim that he doesn't have an organic come up right there, because what's more organic than working as an independent artist, being signed to an independent label, and working your music up to the point where Dr Dre and Interscope are hitting your phone. This is a tiresome discussion.
"When Kendrick Lamar released Section.80 in 2011, it was again rumored that Interscope was funneling money into the project’s promotion. But again, nothing was confirmed, and rumors were just that – rumors. The official announcement of the signing came a year later, in 2012, just a couple months in advance of GKMC‘s release. But in the upcoming episode of Talking Points, frequent TDE collaborator Terrace Martin told TSS, “Kendrick was signed to Interscope before they made it public, and he still dropped Section.80, and that was indie.”
When asked to clarify if Kendrick was signed before Section.80, the producer repeated himself, “Yeah. And he still dropped Section.80, but that was an independent project.”
He also provided some insight on K.Dot’s upcoming LP.
“In Jazz, we’re taught to expect the unexpected. That’s a different concept of life. Expect what you don’t expect. Once you expect it, you lost. It’s a ball of good energy. That kid is trying to help heal the world. He’s given his whole career to healing the world, and talking to the kids. He don’t give a fukk about a record sale. He trying to take of his world because he’s gonna have kids one day that are going to have to grow up in this shyt.”
He becomes the music. He becomes a bass. He becomes a string. He becomes a saxophone. He becomes a drum. I’ve seen him. It’s the craziest, strangest shyt I’ve seen, but it’s amazing. It’s art at its finest, at its highest. And it me in there, him, and another bad cat named Sounwave. One of my favorite producers. It’s me, him and Thundercat. Imagine that in the room. I can’t say shyt else but that.”
Tune in for the entire episode of Talking Points with Terrace Martin on Thursday, where he talks more about how TDE upped the ante for independent albums, why White artists are treated differently from Black artists, and the distinction between being a beatmaker and a producer."
Funneling money into the promotion of Section 80 on the low?Does this still sound organic? Or more of the g.m.o variety.
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Piff Perkins
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I guess you think my idea of a plant is Milli Vanilli. I know they both had projects out. But are you telling me Section 80 was so great that Dre,Snoop,Game decided to pass him the torch on some genuine fan shyt? Because im saying they did so on some favor,label shyt. Now thats a move that would have people believe "Oh he must be the truth,i need to check for him". Plus making him out to be the next Dr Dre protege,discovered by Dre. Thats also a fake narrative to create interest.
You can say they worked hard if you want. But they work wasnt nearly as hard as people who had to gain momentum organiacally,BEFORE getting the type of label push they got without being hot like that. How you "King of The West" when none of my young cousins know you or talked about you before G.K.M.C?
Why dont yall like hearing a artist push didnt start out organically? If i acknowledge their following later became real despite the forced start? Its just a feather in your hat if you became a star,no cosigns,no forced push out the gate.
Why are you rewriting history to push narratives you've been wrong about for well over a decade now lol. Dre signed Kendrick. He wasn't compelled to do shyt...he was told about Kendrick from various people in LA (plus J Cole and Peter Rosenberg told him about Kendrick) and signed him. In terms of Kendrick's success before Section80...who cares? Who was really popping out the west at that time besides YG and Tyga? It was a bunch of dudes bubbling, including Kendrick. I remember because I was fukking with Pac Div, Casey Veggies, Problem, Dom Kennedy, Tyler/Odd Future, TDE and a bunch of others at the time. Q was popping too. Soul was popping. That entire period of the blog era was full of guys who were making dope music on the independent tip, weren't selling records, trying to get deals etc. So this idea that Kendrick didn't sell before GKMC so he was a nobody is false. Nobody was selling because they were independent artists lol.
Dre been running the same playbook for decades. The Dre cosign and "protege" label has been a mainstream thing for a long time, from Snoop to Em to 50 to Game to Kendrick to Paak. Bringing this up while complaining about Doechii is a perfect example of people being mad when labels do what they're supposed to do. People so used to microwave music and no marketing budget that they get mad about rollouts and want to call it a plant. This is how it should look. Doechii been working the same project for months now. In an era where albums drop and one month later the artist is already previewing new music on IG. She's selling out shows. She has a couple big records. She's done some noteworthy features. And she will almost certainly be opening up on one of the biggest tours of 2025 (Kendrick/SZA). There's a clear blueprint here and it's Interscope has used for a long time (she's not on Interscope but she's UMG). It's why Kendrick opened up for Kanye. It's why Travis Scott opened up for Weeknd. This is how you build an artist organically and ensure they have an actual fanbase instead of just having attention.
I'm not gonna say she's a better rapper than xyz. As far as I'm concerned, Doja is the best rapper out of all the women. But the anger over Doechii is hilarious and tells me that some people love slop and get mad when something else gets praised for being thoughtful/well done. Same reason MCU fans get mad when the shytty movies like they are overlooked during awards season for smaller budget, better films.
Now what about the Overly Dedicated era before that, plus all the music he had out before even then?"When Kendrick Lamar released Section.80 in 2011, it was again rumored that Interscope was funneling money into the project’s promotion. But again, nothing was confirmed, and rumors were just that – rumors. The official announcement of the signing came a year later, in 2012, just a couple months in advance of GKMC‘s release. But in the upcoming episode of Talking Points, frequent TDE collaborator Terrace Martin told TSS, “Kendrick was signed to Interscope before they made it public, and he still dropped Section.80, and that was indie.”
When asked to clarify if Kendrick was signed before Section.80, the producer repeated himself, “Yeah. And he still dropped Section.80, but that was an independent project.”
He also provided some insight on K.Dot’s upcoming LP.
“In Jazz, we’re taught to expect the unexpected. That’s a different concept of life. Expect what you don’t expect. Once you expect it, you lost. It’s a ball of good energy. That kid is trying to help heal the world. He’s given his whole career to healing the world, and talking to the kids. He don’t give a fukk about a record sale. He trying to take of his world because he’s gonna have kids one day that are going to have to grow up in this shyt.”
He becomes the music. He becomes a bass. He becomes a string. He becomes a saxophone. He becomes a drum. I’ve seen him. It’s the craziest, strangest shyt I’ve seen, but it’s amazing. It’s art at its finest, at its highest. And it me in there, him, and another bad cat named Sounwave. One of my favorite producers. It’s me, him and Thundercat. Imagine that in the room. I can’t say shyt else but that.”
Tune in for the entire episode of Talking Points with Terrace Martin on Thursday, where he talks more about how TDE upped the ante for independent albums, why White artists are treated differently from Black artists, and the distinction between being a beatmaker and a producer."
Funneling money into the promotion of Section 80 on the low?Does this still sound organic? Or more of the g.m.o variety.
So for all of yall who have been saying "bu bu but why does it matter". Direct that question to the labels now. Why keep it on the low?Whats the point of creating to illusion of an organic groundswelling movement? Could it be they know exactly what I know?
Percieved label creations dont go over as well in hiphop as they do when your creating a Britney Spears.
Percieved label creations dont go over as well in hiphop as they do when your creating a Britney Spears.
I see you skipped over where I asked this. Got any clues? Any explanation for how I personally was on Datpiff heavy during this time period and saw an independent LA mixtape artist grow through dropping quality music to the point of getting signed to a major label and how that isn't organic?
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BobbyWojak
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I listen to everything I give an opinion on.You actually listen to this shyt
It deserves a listen straight through. I was digging everything but GTFO and SLIDE. Production was dope, lots of boom bap. I was expecting some played out “trap” beats and samples of samples. This is one of the few modern projects to have some thoughtful musical creativity.
The content was a mix with introspection, curiosity, growing up, trying to figure shyt out, with some girl problems thrown into the pot. No over the top “my p*ssy this…”, or flexing. It’s more human and explorative than that. It reminded me of some of ab-soul’s past work. She does burst into some different voices, but unlike Nicki, it isn’t a dumb multiple personality gimmick.
She can actually rap with depth and punchlines. She cares about rapping like Rapsody, like Rag Digga, like Lauren, like Jean Grae, like Mia, like Lyte, etc. This isn’t ain’t no BBL hustler, slangin’ p*ssy across state lines raps. It’s the rhymes of a measured somebody who really takes a look at shyt, who wonders about shyt.
All in all, it’s a breath of fresh air. Again, I expected gimmick bars over high tempo hats. Instead I found something more refined and thoughtful. Aside from the stronger projects and revival of LL and Common, it’s stronger than a lot of other shyt that dropped this year. It’s something I can pick up years from now and spin it again. I’ve already let it play, front to back, a few times since yesterday.
Do you fear you'll acquire a taste for dikk if you listen for yourself?
Yall are twisting the narrative now. Who complains or is upset about labels giving a push? Do you not see the difference in an organic push and a FORCED push? Kendrick got force pushed like Darth Vader and that upsets YALL because deep down you know what I know. Im not complaigning about the label doing their job. Im pointing out certain artist didnt do their job as well as others who didnt need the push to get the uphill momentum going. The fact Dre had to be told about a nikka from compton who raps by J Cole and Peter Rosenburg speaks to the lack of buzz locally. I remember hearing alot of those named you mentioned. And for as little as they were known and poppin,Kendrick was buzzing even less than they were. And I was on the internet,Kendrick wasnt buzzing on these forums or social media either. I said the blueprint worked and im not mad at it. But NOW this is where thats about to change.
Are you telling me someone who was as an RNB ARTIST but didnt stick. Who suddenly becomes "the female Kendrick" overnight isnt ODD to yall
? Your going to tell me "this is what hiphop should look like" smh. It would appear The Booth has been comprimised. If she wasnt on TDE im almost sure she would be called into question as far as legitamacy. But because she is TDE yall see no red flags. Somebody get Tinashe 16 bars ,some Alchemist beats,a 3K feature and lets see what happens
Sorry she is still suspect and i denounce this is what hiphop should look or sound like. And the audacity to call other acts "microwave". Her name should be *Ding* instead of Doechi.
Yall are repeating my "narrative" while sugarcoating it really. As a non stan i can be a little more blunt about it. And yes i do like Kendrick,wouldnt say love Kendrick btw.
