Do you think LeBron is a top 5 NBA player all-time?
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I love how I can say MJ is the GOAT and you can say Kobe is the GOAT, but we dont even clash on it because we know it is a 2-man race for that title. If not those 2, Kareem is the other.
It takes alot of mental gymnastics and hate not to have him top 5, Jordan is the only one with more first option rings and he has the stats and career accolades to match up with anyone. 
viktordoomsecretwars
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He's bordeline top 5. He's not sure fire top 5 as some seem to think. There's Jordan. I wouldn't put him ahead of Kareem or Magic. I don't feel comfortable putting him ahead of Russell. I'm not sure why he should be guaranteed to be ahead of Duncan (i'm yet to see this argument) or Shaq/Kobe.
He has 3 rings in 17 years and 2 of them came with creating the uncompetitive culture of superteams, in his prime. And in Miami, he underachieved.
Lebron's entire legacy hangs on 1 championship in Cleveland. That's not enough. He's definitely the best player to ever play his position but others did better overall for their careers or won the same in a shorter period of time.
He has 3 rings in 17 years and 2 of them came with creating the uncompetitive culture of superteams, in his prime. And in Miami, he underachieved.
Lebron's entire legacy hangs on 1 championship in Cleveland. That's not enough. He's definitely the best player to ever play his position but others did better overall for their careers or won the same in a shorter period of time.
Lol
You cant talk about superteams disqualifying someone then have bill russel, kareem and magic over him that shyt don't work like that, And yes cacs putting the team together is the same as players doing it. Either way everybody has help.
entire legacy hangs on 1 championship in Cleveland. That's not enough. He's definitely the best player to ever play his position but others did better overall for their careers or won the same in a shorter period of time.
So to conclude bron is the GOAT small forward, Holds 4 MVPs and 3 finals MVPs Jordan and Kareem are the only ones with more in this category, 3rd all time scoring, top 10 assists Likely retiring top 5, The only player in history that is top 10 in both Scoring and Assists. Has his team in position to win another chip while leading the league in assists in his 17TH season. On top of being a top 3 player in the league for 15 years and the best for 10. He has the Stats, Accolades and Longevity argument that probably 2 other players all time can match While playing in the MODERN ERA. Thats a top 5 player at WORST.
You must remember.... Kobe got outscored by a 6th man in the NBA finals.
Kobe got straight up carried in the Nba finals.You must remember.... Kobe got outscored by a 6th man in the NBA finals.
2000 Nba finals
Shaq: 38/16
Kobe :15 ppg on 36%
Austin croshere: 15/6 on 54%
But kobes better cuz he won an extra roleplayer and second option ring.
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BigTyme Records
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Kobe got straight up carried in the Nba finals.
2000 Nba finals
Shaq: 38/16
Kobe :15 ppg on 36%
Austin croshere: 15/6 on 54%
But kobes better cuz he won an extra roleplayer and second option ring.
Shaq averaged more RPG than bean did PPG
nikka was Kevin love status in that finals but let kobe stans tell it he's the GOAT because of it.
BigTyme Records
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yeah RiP not tryna shyt on dude but idk how you can look at MJ in the finals and Kobe in the finals. And think it’s even close. That shyt disrespectful to other players
Lakerman0834
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Y’all love to ignore Kobe carrying lakers Against the western conference when shaq was being contained. Back then WCF was the real finals
26/12 is being contained and the dude averaging 20/4 was carrying? Yea aight.Y’all love to ignore Kobe carrying lakers Against the western conference when shaq was being contained. Back then WCF was the real finals
LexDiamonds
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Y’all love to ignore Kobe carrying lakers Against the western conference when shaq was being contained. Back then WCF was the real finals
Shaq out scored him quite comfortably in every series that year. On much better efficiency as well.
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Fortunate Lee
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Look at thisY’all love to ignore Kobe carrying lakers Against the western conference when shaq was being contained. Back then WCF was the real finals
The mind of a Kobe stan
murksiderock
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Few arguments against LeBron actually center on anything about his actual play. When it does come to play, it's always shyt that is factually incorrect that is easily disproven:
•"unskilled"--->don't know how you do what he does for so long with no skill...
•"can't shoot"...
•"no midrange"...
•"whole game is bulldozing"...
•"horrible defender"---->people make this statement based off of the last three years and pretend that's been him his entire career...
It's always the 3-6 shyt, anytime it comes to actual play it's some exaggerated bullshyt or outright lie. They not even consistent with that though, there's another GOAT with a losing Finals record who was significantly worse than LeBron in money time, and nikkas trip over themselves saying he's better than LeBron...
Luka only 20 and already has euro ships and mvp under his belt. He’s got a lot of time. Look at how the LeGTB started moving goal posts once KD won rings or now Giannis is MVP. Just gonna be interesting to watch how obsession with stats for so long will no longer be a criteria
What goalposts did Bron Stans move about KD and Giannis?
It takes alot of mental gymnastics and hate not to have him top 5, Jordan is the only one with more first option rings and he has the stats and career accolades to match up with anyone.
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