Do We Have To Struggle ?

[Da Jungles]

Yeah I have noticed that there is a culture of I struggled so you must struggle too, and what you have to go through isn't as bad as what I went through (often times this is cap of the highest order) so shut up.


There is no real empathy to speak of or a sense of pushing to make things easier for the next generation, it's always just presumed the next generation magically has it easier even though you have done next to nothing to make it that way. That's why things are getting progressively worse in this country instead of progressively better.

 

[HabitualChiller]

European countries are more well off than us and they live in smaller quarters than we do. Americans lived in smaller places too until the post WWII boom that brought urban sprawl, so yes, this is very new where people demand a room for every kid and an apartment to every person.

And plenty of people have more than one person living in a one bd apartment. You feel entitled to more, that’s a perfectly fine stance, reality is we’re not getting more at affordable prices so people need to humble themselves and be creative about solutions.

Which European countries are more well-off than America? "Well-off" implies that they make more than us, so I'd love to see which countries are more well-off than the country that can afford to spend $731 billion on just our military.

Again? This isn't America pre-WW2. Americans have had the same expectations as I have for going on 70 years (by your account). Telling them to go back to the times where factory work for a father was an endeavor that could sustain an entire family on his income alone is ludicrous, especially when rent is increasing on a yearly basis...and so are food prices.

What's you solution? Get a 2nd job and never be able to afford a house, so your money ultimately flies into another entities pockets for the rest of your life?

Or move back in with your parents, whom are probably struggling, too?

Or shack up with a roommate or two in a 1 bedroom apartment for 2-3 years, all the while, home and rent prices continue to skyrocket?

What's your solution? Telling people to essentially kick rocks and figure it the fukk out isn't going to cut it in the long-term.

 

[BaggerofTea]

Friedrich Nietzsche on Why a Fulfilling Life Requires Embracing Rather than Running from Difficulty

A century and a half before our modern fetishism of failure, a seminal philosophical case for its value.

www.themarginalian.org

Friedrich Nietzsche on Why a Fulfilling Life Requires Embracing Rather than Running from Difficulty​

you can call this "cac shyt" but I believe this 100 percent.

you are only at your best when you have gone through adversity.


struggle is life, its your job to reverse fate

 

[dora_da_destroyer]

Which European countries are more well-off than America? "Well-off" implies that they make more than us, so I'd love to see which countries are more well-off than the country that can afford to spend $731 billion on just our military.

Again? This isn't America pre-WW2. Americans have had the same expectations as I have for going on 70 years (by your account). Telling them to go back to the times where factory work for a father was an endeavor that could sustain an entire family on his income alone is ludicrous, especially when rent is increasing on a yearly basis...and so are food prices.

What's you solution? Get a 2nd job and never be able to afford a house, so your money ultimately flies into another entities pockets for the rest of your life?

Or move back in with your parents, whom are probably struggling, too?

Or shack up with a roommate or two in a 1 bedroom apartment for 2-3 years, all the while, home and rent prices continue to skyrocket?

What's your solution? Telling people to essentially kick rocks and figure it the fukk out isn't going to cut it in the long-term.

You can find a GDP per capita table just as easily as me and see which European countries have a higher and/or comparable standard of living

People weren’t affording homes alone for most of that time, women were heavily in the workforce by the 70’s and contributing to household bills

Solutions are - accept that we need to scale down, you are not entitled to a SFH and those who buy a SFH need to stop thinking 3000 sq ft is moderate…a 5 person family can live quite comfortably in 1500 sq ft - my family did. Yes, move back in with parents and add your income - 3 incomes is better than two, if they are struggling, it’s only going to get easier having a third to split bills with. Yes, have roommates. Yes, buy a home with friends if you can’t afford one alone and you don’t have an S/O to buy with. More multifamily housing needs to be built and people need to accept this as a way of living, especially singles and DINKs

You’re not presenting any solutions yourself. Crying on TikTok isn’t going to change where we are. Housing (single family particularly) will continue to get more scarce and rents will keep increasing. Short of revolution, people need to figure out how to make it work. Prior to getting engaged, I came to the realization I wasn’t buying shyt out here in the Bay despite making good money, and that’s fine, I was willing to rent and invest elsewhere or buy elsewhere. Life ain’t paint by numbers, figure it out.

 

[Uitomy]

You can’t fix this, this is the end game of thousands of years of conquest and genocide

 

[HabitualChiller]

You can find a GDP per capita table just as easily as me and see which European countries have a higher and/or comparable standard of living

People weren’t affording homes alone for most of that time, women were heavily in the workforce by the 70’s and contributing to household bills

Solutions are - accept that we need to scale down, you are not entitled to a SFH and those who buy a SFH need to stop thinking 3000 sq ft is moderate…a 5 person family can live quite comfortably in 1500 sq ft - my family did. Yes, move back in with parents and add your income - 3 incomes is better than two, if they are struggling, it’s only going to get easier having a third to split hills with. Yes, have roommates. Yes, but a home with friends if you can’t afford one alone and you don’t have an S/O to buy with.

You’re not presenting any solutions yourself. Crying on TikTok isn’t going to change where we are. Housing (single family particularly) will continue to get more scarce and rents will keep increasing. Short of revolution, people need to figure out how to make it work. Prior to getting engaged, I came to the realization I wasn’t buying shyt out here in the Bay despite making good money, and that’s fine, I was willing to rent and invest elsewhere or buy elsewhere. Life ain’t paint by numbers, figure it out.

GDP per capita is a flawed metric because America has a significantly larger population than every other country ranked above it.

How are your solutions, solutions when you don't address the actual issue? Again, you're pretty much just saying, "figure it the fukk out", while prices increase faster than wages do. Eventually (barring a significant economic collapse [which hurts more Americans than it'd help] or government intervention by way of acts, laws, or tighter regulation), shyt's gonna hit the fan and your solutions won't make a dent anymore.

In the short-term, sure, what you outlined as solutions will work, but 20-30 years down the line, what the fukk is life going to look like?

 

[Van Cleef]

Friedrich Nietzsche on Why a Fulfilling Life Requires Embracing Rather than Running from Difficulty

A century and a half before our modern fetishism of failure, a seminal philosophical case for its value.

www.themarginalian.org

you can call this "cac shyt" but I believe this 100 percent.

you are only at your best when you have gone through adversity.


struggle is life, its your job to reverse fate

It's important to feel pain in life, and never to run away from problems.

 

[dora_da_destroyer]

GDP per capita is a flawed metric because America has a significantly larger population than every other country ranked above it.

How are your solutions, solutions when you don't address the actual issue? Again, you're pretty much just saying, "figure it the fukk out", while prices increase faster than wages do. Eventually (barring a significant economic collapse [which hurts more Americans that it'd help] or government intervention by way of acts, laws, or tighter regulation), shyt's gonna hit the fan and your solutions won't make a don't anymore.

In the short-term, sure, what you outlined as solutions will work, but 20-30 years down the line, what the fukk is life going to look like?

Like I said - what is your solution? Crying?

Edit: and I added to my previous post that more multifamily housing needs to be built - but that requires people accepting they’re not entitled to SFHs

 

[Van Cleef]

Like I said - what is your solution? Crying?

your solution is to live with parents or roommates until ur 40 like some 20 century tenement dweller?

im way too narcissistic for that

 

[dora_da_destroyer]

your solution is to live with parents or roommates until ur 40 like some 20 century tenement dweller?

im way too narcissistic for that

You and a lot of people crying on TikTok are. I’d rather not be stressed everyday about paying rent and keeping the lights on vs having my own space. Everybody got choices

 

[get these nets]

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GDP per capita is a flawed metric because America has a significantly larger population than every other country ranked above it.

How are your solutions, solutions when you don't address the actual issue? Again, you're pretty much just saying, "figure it the fukk out", while prices increase faster than wages do. Eventually (barring a significant economic collapse [which hurts more Americans that it'd help] or government intervention by way of acts, laws, or tighter regulation), shyt's gonna hit the fan and your solutions won't make a don't anymore.

In the short-term, sure, what you outlined as solutions will work, but 20-30 years down the line, what the fukk is life going to look like?

She said that people will have to adapt to the economic realities. Depending on which region of the country one is in, that learning curve/adaptation curve has been fast forwarded. But will occur everywhere.

That will include affecting education choices(major pursued), career choices, family planning.
And I think as communities, we will go back to sharing resources and informal mutual aid groups .

What other options do we have but to adapt?

 

[HabitualChiller]

Like I said - what is your solution? Crying?

Edit: and I added to my previous post that more multifamily housing needs to be built - but that requires people accepting they’re not entitled to SFHs

I joined the military so that I could get ahead. At this point, that's just about the only way that the average person can afford their own spot.

I guess your band-aid solutions are the best options for now ...outside of voting.

 

[Son Goku]

 

[HabitualChiller]

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She said that people will have to adapt to the economic realities. Depending on which region of the country one is in, that learning curve/adaptation curve has been fast forwarded. But will occur everywhere.

That will include affecting education choices(major pursued), career choices, family planning.
And I think as communities, we will go back to sharing resources and informal mutual aid groups .

What other options do we have but to adapt?

We can adapt. Unfortunately, the market will also adapt.

People start shacking up to save money en masse, then landlords start raising rent more / more frequently.

You can save up to buy a house with a friend, but with the way that prices & interest rates are...good luck.

 

[DaPresident]

Corporate greed is at an all time high.

This economy is hitting everybody. Inflation is one thing, but $100 in groceries is damn near one bag now.

Look at gas prices for example, there is no reason other than greed that they’re that high. Because, “we can charge $3-7+ per gallon because we can. You’ll pay it because you HAVE TO”

EVERYTHING is super expensive and it’s purely so corporations, who pay little to no tax, make it that way. Get EVERY penny. The middle class literally funds this country, and they turn around and break our backs…all so the CEOs can enjoy record profits…I mean look at the telework situation, you got these companies acting like folks sitting at home doing nothing but they made RECORD profits and people had somewhat of a little better QoL…nope, “get cho azz back in these offices 5 days a week…” it’s crazy…

You got politicians not on the side of the people, but have compassion for the CEOs…I empathize because I feel it also. I have a wife and we have a good 2 income household but I see it in my gas, groceries and mortgage…a bottle of 16 oz soda is OVER $2 bottle of water damn near the same price.

We NEVER going back either, not because we can’t, but because they don’t want to lose a penny of extra profit, that just lines their pockets…I’ll leave it alone bc this ish pisses me off daily