Do we have a qb development problem

[DropTopDoc]

Most of these QBs get drafted by shyt organizations that don’t build around them with a good o-line and complimentary players at skill positions along with quality coaching.

Then when the front office is putting pressure on coaches to produce wins they aren’t sticking with any guy that’s not getting the job done beyond a season or two although it’s usually even less.

You put a new guy out there with a team that has glaring needs on the o-line and at skill positions, it’s a recipe for disaster and getting your young QB into bad habits.

These guys don’t have time to develop like that. More teams should look at the Packers formula with their QBs, draft a guy and let him sit at least a couple of seasons behind a veteran before you put him out to the wolves. They did that with Jordan Love and they also did it with Aaron Rodgers before him. Even Mahomes sat behind Alex Smith a season or two. Same for Brady, if Drew Bledsoe never gets hurt who knows if things would have played out the same for Brady.

A lot of these coaches and front offices want immediate return on their investment though and it doesn’t work like that and they end up ruining these young guys and moving on from them after a season or two.

Two things i can think of some qbs need more time to figure it out, but in the same breath don’t be afraid to move on from a qb, 5 years is enough time to know what you honestly got

 

[Remote]

The fact that you got to preface this for a guy who’s only played about 7 games is wild. It should be common sense to let players develop

First take got people minds fried

I had to preface it because I have been on the coli for 10 years and I know what comments typically are posted in a thread like this.

 

[DropTopDoc]

You would expect things to improve in the 2nd half.

The numbers don't bear it out yet, but Rome Odunze is a talented WR and I think as they move in his direction, and away from Keenan Allen, it would help Caleb to lean on him more often.

The issue is Keenan was supposed to be a security blanket, big, sure hands, his catch radius would over come bad throws, but surprise he’s having issues staying healthy, Rome has to grow into the nfl more and having a vet helps, but we need a new oc, hell a staff, but the crazy thing is here we go again doing what we did to fields

 

[Crude]

Two things i can think of some qbs need more time to figure it out, but in the same breath don’t be afraid to move on from a qb, 5 years is enough time to know what you honestly got

If a guy hadn’t shown improvement by year 3 or 4 it’s probably time to look at cutting your losses and moving on.

A season or two isn’t a large enough of a sample size in my opinion though.

Just like everyone is ready to give up on Caleb Williams and Justin Fields right now. Let those guys get some reps and develop more.

 

[MooseMouthMthafuga]

6 seasons in, Kyler Murray still has yet to throw for 4,000 yds in a season.Claims to be a pocket passer, tho.His pops told him don't run unless you absolutely have to.Dude can run damn near 23mph..No rushing attempts last game.Breh's not a cotdamn pocket passes.He's Trent Dilfer with 4.3 speed.

 

[threattonature]

Most of these QBs get drafted by shyt organizations that don’t build around them with a good o-line and complimentary players at skill positions along with quality coaching.

Then when the front office is putting pressure on coaches to produce wins they aren’t sticking with any guy that’s not getting the job done beyond a season or two although it’s usually even less.

You put a new guy out there with a team that has glaring needs on the o-line and at skill positions, it’s a recipe for disaster and getting your young QB into bad habits.

These guys don’t have time to develop like that. More teams should look at the Packers formula with their QBs, draft a guy and let him sit at least a couple of seasons behind a veteran before you put him out to the wolves. They did that with Jordan Love and they also did it with Aaron Rodgers before him. Even Mahomes sat behind Alex Smith a season or two. Same for Brady, if Drew Bledsoe never gets hurt who knows if things would have played out the same for Brady.

A lot of these coaches and front offices want immediate return on their investment though and it doesn’t work like that and they end up ruining these young guys and moving on from them after a season or two.

I disagree with this point. Cause you run into the issue of having to make a decision on the 5th year and you don't have much to evaluate off of without seeing them with plenty of game action. Since there is no way to test it there is no way to know if sitting actually helped their development and if you already have a competent QB that resource that's used to pick a QB could've been used in filling another roster spot. I'd rather them start from day one so I have an extra year or two worth of film data to make a decision.

I think the big problem is that teams try to rush the turnaround. They try to go from being bad, then draft a new QB and throw him to the wolves while not fixing the rest of the issues that made the team bad in the first place.

If I'm in position to draft a new QB I'm investing heavily in the line. I don't want my QB developing behind a bad line which can lead to them developing happy feet and not knowing how to operate in a clean pocket. I'd also invest in a RB so that all the pressure to win isn't in the QBs hands so you can bring the QB along slowly.

I do think the underrated reason QBs aren't developing is because line play has been so bad across the league. Makes it hard for QBs to learn to read defenses when they are running for their life and having to watch who the line fukked up and let through each play.

 

[Crude]

I disagree with this point. Cause you run into the issue of having to make a decision on the 5th year and you don't have much to evaluate off of without seeing them with plenty of game action. Since there is no way to test it there is no way to know if sitting actually helped their development and if you already have a competent QB that resource that's used to pick a QB could've been used in filling another roster spot. I'd rather them start from day one so I have an extra year or two worth of film data to make a decision.

I think the big problem is that teams try to rush the turnaround. They try to go from being bad, then draft a new QB and throw him to the wolves while not fixing the rest of the issues that made the team bad in the first place.

If I'm in position to draft a new QB I'm investing heavily in the line. I don't want my QB developing behind a bad line which can lead to them developing happy feet and not knowing how to operate in a clean pocket. I'd also invest in a RB so that all the pressure to win isn't in the QBs hands so you can bring the QB along slowly.

I do think the underrated reason QBs aren't developing is because line play has been so bad across the league. Makes it hard for QBs to learn to read defenses when they are running for their life and having to watch who the line fukked up and let through each play.

I can agree with you in regards to the argument that organizations need a larger sample size to decide on whether they want to keep a guy and extend his contract.

You are right you can’t rush a rebuild. Sometimes you got learn to be at peace with the organization being bad for 3-4 seasons until your personnel moves start panning out.

Front office’s don’t have patience though and end up over-correcting and making it worse.

 

[Remote]

I think people are too quick to blame the offensive line for any quarterback failure. This has always been an easy scapegoat, whether it's a QB or RB.

Certainly, some quarterbacks have been let down by their protection -- in my opinion David Carr in Houston was a high profile example of this.

But I think we have to acknowledge that a lot of quarterbacks in the lower ranks don't have experience in running a pro style offense, and then we're all surprised or angered when they struggle to perform in the NFL.

On the one hand you can blame the quarterback, or perhaps the collegiate/HS system that fosters this kind of low-processing style of football.
On the other hand, NFL head coaches and draft teams have to recognize a prospects experience and limitations and assess whether that player can do the job at the highest level.

Hypothetically speaking, if a QB was winning NCAA titles running the option, but running the option was not viable in the NFL, you would never draft that prospect, right? So let's use the same process when it comes to college prospects that play a game that doesn't translate to the NFL.

 

[Born2BKing]

People have to just understand that every college QB isn't gonna be a good pro, no matter the stats or what Mel Kipers says.

 

[42 Monks]

end alabama qb propaganda

 

[OnlyOneBoss]

they have the equation backwards

great team comes first

they keep putting the qb first & that's the most team dependent position

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That’s what I’m saying breh

I think teams should sign a borderline backup QB and build the line for a couple years. They might sneak into the playoffs but probably won’t.

Build up the lines first
Then the secondary
Draft a WR1, sign a good WR2 and WR3/slot
build offense scheme/philosophy

THEN draft the QB you think fits that team perfectly.

 

[Remote]

Caleb was sacked 9 times today.

I suppose the offensive line is responsible.
But they couldn't have been responsible for ALL OF THEM.

 

[CrimsonTider]

end alabama qb propaganda

Imagine if the panthers didn’t make that trade and got Caleb

 

[GoldenGlove]

Caleb was sacked 9 times today.

I suppose the offensive line is responsible.
But they couldn't have been responsible for ALL OF THEM.

The Bears line is ass and is decimated with injuries, but the OC continues to call 5 step drops and long developing plays instead of just quick passes.

Caleb looks fried mentally. Confidence is at 0 for sure after this season. He's shell shocked

 

[Remote]

The Bears line is ass and is decimated with injuries, but the OC continues to call 5 step drops and long developing plays instead of just quick passes.

Caleb looks fried mentally. Confidence is at 0 for sure after this season. He's shell shocked

How do they build his confidence?
He doesn't lack talent at the WR position.