Do Atheists truly desire a completly Godless society?

[Hiphoplives4eva]

Morality is an innate trait in humans. It's very easy to know right from wrong. If you don't, you probably suffer from a mental disease.

But what determines what is right and what is wrong? You say it as if its a no brainer, meanwhile humans have been killing, enslaving, torturing, and maiming each other for millenia. Morality isn't some obvious concept that everyone knows from jump. You have to be TAUGHT these things.

 

[Dusty Bake Activate]

Why thank you kind sir!

In my defense, this post wasn't meant as an attempt in trolling. Im just curious as to what the end point for atheism is. It just seems to me that societies that have no basis in a religious construct tend to become morally bankrupt in its govening style and attitudes toward its citizens.

The only problem with this is it isn't true. It's the opposite. Read the Creighton University study I linked. Demons flourish in response to God. Less God=less demonic activity.

 

[Turenne]

Im just curious as to what the end point for atheism is.

...who said there had to be an 'end-point'? Atheism is nothing more then the solitary belief that there is no rational grounds for accepting a deity. That's it - it isn't and does not attempt to be some moral system or belief system.

It just seems to me that societies that have no basis in a religious construct tend to become morally bankrupt in its govening style and attitudes toward its citizens.

...and the many many examples of 'religious societies' being morally bankrupt and/or evil are to be ignored? You are viewing things in a entirely black/white dichotomy that is deeply inaccurate, the idea of an 'atheist society' in itself is absurd and not based in historical reality. How can you base a society around not believing in the existence of a higher deity?

And finally, why do you believe human beings can only be moral unless they are told to be so by their 'God'?

 

[Sensitive Blake Griffin]

But what determines what is right and what is wrong? You say it as if its a no brainer, meanwhile humans have been killing, enslaving, torturing, and maiming each other for millenia. Morality isn't some obvious concept that everyone knows from jump. You have to be TAUGHT these things.

Treat others how you wanna be treated. I didn't need religion to think of that profound thought. Let alone the fact that religious folks were the ones who did most of the killing, enslaving and torture.

 

[Rarely-Wrong Liggins]

Obviously anti-antisemitism was involved. Anti-Antisemitism has a long religious history in Europe. Several hundred years of casting Jews as "evil Christ Killers" made the Holocaust a lot more palatable to the German people.

And my point in pointing out Hitler's faith was the OP's claim that Hitler was an atheist. There is nothing to suggest that Hitler was an atheist. At the very least he was a deist. Most likely, Hitler held quasi-Christian beliefs that many neo-nazi groups still hold today.

I'm not concerned about the highly religious German populace of that time period. I'm concerned about Hitler and leading Nazis. There was no religious basis for the Halocaust or the German aggression that led to WW2. It was based upon nationalism, racial supremacy, revenge, and the need for more land and resources.

And you're going to have to elaborate on "quasi-Christian beliefs."

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[Sensitive Blake Griffin]

Correct me if I'm wrong but wasn't Hitler spending millions on expeditions to find the ark of the covenant? he was definitely religious

 

[Robbie3000]

I'm not concerned about the highly religious German populace of that time period. I'm concerned about Hitler and leading Nazis. There was no religious basis for the Halocaust or the German aggression that led to WW2. It was based upon nationalism, racial supremacy, revenge, and the need for more land and resources.

And you're going to have to elaborate on "quasi-Christian beliefs."

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Antisemitism played a role in the Holocaust just as the other factors you listed. This is a fact. Antisemitism itself was a result of hundreds of years of Jewish persecution in Europe based on religion. Even the German father of protestants, Martin Luther, was an outspoken antisemite.

Here is a quick primer on Hitler's religious views. It's quite evident that he was not as the OP said an atheist.

Religious views of Adolf Hitler - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[Darts]

As children we learn about morality, right from wrong, good and evil through biblical stories whether implicitly or explicitly. These lessons stay with us through adulthood whether we choose to believe in a God or not.

I plan to raise my kids from early on Christian beliefs not because i'm a religious zealot, but because they need to have a strong moral core....whatever they do when they're grown is on them.

 

[The Real]

Antisemitism played a role in the Holocaust just as the other factors you listed. This is a fact. Antisemitism itself was a result of hundreds of years of Jewish persecution in Europe based on religion. Even the German father of protestants, Martin Luther, was an outspoken antisemite.

Here is a quick primer on Hitler's religious views. It's quite evident that he was not as the OP said an atheist.

Religious views of Adolf Hitler - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

His religious beliefs are somewhat hard to pin down, but he obviously did have a spiritual life of some kind, and furthermore, he was incredibly anti-atheist. That's clear enough for me.

 

[acri1]

I'm not concerned about the highly religious German populace of that time period. I'm concerned about Hitler and leading Nazis. There was no religious basis for the Halocaust or the German aggression that led to WW2. It was based upon nationalism, racial supremacy, revenge, and the need for more land and resources.

And you're going to have to elaborate on "quasi-Christian beliefs."

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Nobody claimed that he Holocaust had a religious basis, only that Hitler wasn't an atheist and subscribed to quasi-Christian views, or at the very least Deistic views. In fact Mein Kampf has numerous references to"God's work" and "God's will". There's no way he was atheist/agnostic or anything like that.

 

[Rarely-Wrong Liggins]

Correct me if I'm wrong but wasn't Hitler spending millions on expeditions to find the ark of the covenant? he was definitely religious

You might wanna read up on the background of those expeditions before you make such assumptions.

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[Turenne]

I'm not concerned about the highly religious German populace of that time period. I'm concerned about Hitler and leading Nazis.

You can't separate the two. How can you separate the ideologies of a nation that gives the state its ideological validity?

And the only reason you want to separate the two is because you think it will make your argument valid.

 

[Hiphoplives4eva]

Correct me if I'm wrong but wasn't Hitler spending millions on expeditions to find the ark of the covenant? he was definitely religious

Your wrong. Hitler belived that the Germans were the original beings and was looking for proofs to support this non fact. Hitler's motivations were to prove that Nazi Germany and its people were the chosen group.

 

[Turenne]

I plan to raise my kids from early on Christian beliefs not because i'm a religious zealot, but because they need to have a strong moral core....whatever they do when they're grown is on them.

...because you can't teach them to have a strong moral core without teaching them to be Christians?

 

[Turenne]

Your wrong. Hitler belived that the Germans were the original beings and was looking for proofs to support this non fact. Hitler's motivations were to prove that Nazi Germany and its people were the chosen group.

...the chosen group of who...?