Do Atheists truly desire a completly Godless society?

[Sensitive Blake Griffin]

sometimes I just have to marvel at the jaw-dropping stupidity I encounter in here. YOU made a post comparing the Bible to these lightweight fantasy novels. Goddamn!

The bible is a retarded book made by people who lived over 2000 years ago. Game of Thrones takes a proverbial shyt all over the bible and its nonsense bullshyt noahs ark and adam and eve bullshyt. How is Game of thrones lightweight? Each both is as long as a bible, if not longer. It doesn't leave me with a permanent face when I read it.

 

[Silver Surfer]

religion is needed for the masses

 

[zerozero]

The bible is a retarded book made by people who lived over 2000 years ago. Game of Thrones takes a proverbial shyt all over the bible and its nonsense bullshyt noahs ark and adam and eve bullshyt. How is Game of thrones lightweight? Each both is as long as a bible, if not longer. It doesn't leave me with a permanent face when I read it.

The cultural/literary impact of the bible is not limited to the plot of the old testament legends. Notions like 'The Fall' (of Adam/Eve), a unified Satan etc,the Soul , Hell, Redemption, Predestination, etc are a heartbeat underlying the larger edifice of cultural ideas built atop them for millenia

 

[STEVE]

i don't know why this subforum is called Higher Learning when it is clear lots of people in here have never read a book.

 

[Sensitive Blake Griffin]

The cultural/literary impact of the bible is not limited to the plot of the old testament legends. Notions like 'The Fall' (of Adam/Eve), a unified Satan etc,the Soul , Hell, Redemption, Predestination, etc are a heartbeat underlying the larger edifice of cultural ideas built atop them for millenia

Maybe I'm too stoned, but I don't know exactly what you're trying to say.

 

[Gallo]

Meh, I really never found the bible or its ridiculous stories interesting. I guess I could see how you could but I'd rather read some genius shyt like the Watchmen or Game of Thrones if I'm looking for great fiction. I do find the old Roman/greek mythologies interesting though.

Religious stories came up with this....

A leopard cannot change its spots
A broken heart
A drop in the bucket
A labour of love
A peace offering
A wolf in sheep's clothing
By the skin of your teeth
All things must pass
Eat drink and be merry
Good Samaritan
Many are called but few are chosen
The powers that be
The writing is on the wall

Talk about literary genius. Now I rather some Dune and Asimov than the bible myself and I'm sure many of those are probably b*stardize from earlier work and other religions/mythologies have phrases we use as well. But comparing Game of Throne to bible/religion/mythology is like comparing Rakim to Nas. Rakim fathered his style.

 

[Turenne]

zerozero is saying the bible had a huge impact on literature and Western culture, and he is right.

 

[tru_m.a.c]

Maybe I'm too stoned, but I don't know exactly what you're trying to say.

lol calm down man calm down

you gotta apologize to zero dude was just trying to help you out

what he meant was that the KJV advanced literacy and that we should be "thankful" for its educational contributions

 

[NoMayo15]

wayment.

you trolling, right.

tell me you're trolling.

WTF does not believing in God have to do with how you treat another human being or yourself?

You don't know not to kill old ladies using spoons if a book don't tell you not to? You don't know not to fukk lil kids up the ass if you don't think some dude in the sky is viewing it as porn?

shyt like this.... THIS is why religion is bad.

I'm not even reading the rest of that shyt, breh.

This.

Here's your 1 star, OP.

 

[Rarely-Wrong Liggins]

Religious views of Adolf Hitler - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Adolf Hitler SAID a lot of things. You can find speeches where he pledged he and Germany would be peaceful nation and military re-armament was only for defense purposes. And we saw how THAT turned out.

You have to look at the actions of the man. Thousands of clergymen were imprisoned or killed during his reign. Trying to cast Nazi leadership as devout Christians is laughable. And trying to pin the Halocaust on religion is even more laughable.

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[Rarely-Wrong Liggins]

I mean...is this aimed at someone in this thread in particular? Who said Hitler was a Roman Catholic? Who said Himmler was pro-Christian? Do you enjoy debating arguments no one actual made...?

The argument made was that the deeply embedded Protestant and Catholic ethics of paternalism and discipline in German society allowed for the popularity and moral justification for Nazi Germany - debate that, rather then just making up your irrelevant shyt.

Oh and read the thread dummy. Robbie3000 said Hitler was a Roman Catholic.

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[Hiphoplives4eva]

You have to be a special type of retard to describe the Roman Empire as 'Godless'. They had Gods coming out of their ass, and yes, the Roman Empire existed and prospered under Christianity for a while too.



Another fallacy. Please explain how Germany under Hitler was Godless? We are talking about a deeply Catholic and deeply Protestant country, a country in which Christianity in the strictest sense was a constant in your life from the moment you were born. And this sense of discipline and paternalism allowed Hitler to create his cult of personality 'Father of the Nation' shyt with considerable ease. Have you ever heard the saying of how the SS was brimming with Catholic school boys?

For further reference, feel free to watch 'The White Ribbon' by Haneke to show how a deeply religious way of life lent itself heavily to paternalism, discipline and violence.

Romans's belief system didn't really create a "moral" code that the people withing the country lived by like other more traditional religions. I liken it to more a series of superstitions and beleifs that came about as a result of various cultural behavioural practices.

Now in regards to the "church" system in Nazi germany, everyone know Hitler didn't belieeve in ANY of that shyt and only used the church to further his nationalistic pro nazi propaganda. Hitler simply allowed the church to exist simply to appease German citizens that enjoyed participating in the church environment. However, any and all church pastors had to completely retool their messages to completely fall in line with the Nazi teachings or they were removed and/or killed. The great Boenhoeffer is an example of how Hitler essentially used the church as a propagandistic tool as opposed to a true source of moral guidnance.

And again, Im not here in favor or against either position. Im simply stating observations in an attempt to spark discussion. It seems religion in particular brings out the true vitriol in people whenever its brought up.

 

[Sensitive Blake Griffin]

Romans's belief system didn't really create a "moral" code that the people withing the country lived by like other more traditional religions. I liken it to more a series of superstitions and beleifs that came about as a result of various cultural behavioural practices.

Now in regards to the "church" system in Nazi germany, everyone know Hitler didn't belieeve in ANY of that shyt and only used the church to further his nationalistic pro nazi propaganda. Hitler simply allowed the church to exist simply to appease German citizens that enjoyed participating in the church environment. However, any and all church pastors had to completely retool their messages to completely fall in line with the Nazi teachings or they were removed and/or killed. The grean Boenhoeffer is an example of how Hitler essentially used the church as a propagandistic tool as opposed to a true source of moral guidnance.

And again, Im not here in favor or against either position. Im simply stating observations in an attempt to spark discussion. It seems religion in particular brings out the true vitriol in people whenever its brought up.

Morality is an innate trait in humans. It's very easy to know right from wrong. If you don't, you probably suffer from a mental disease.

 

[Robbie3000]

Adolf Hitler SAID a lot of things. You can find speeches where he pledged he and Germany would be peaceful nation and military re-armament was only for defense purposes. And we saw how THAT turned out.

You have to look at the actions of the man. Thousands of clergymen were imprisoned or killed during his reign. Trying to cast Nazi leadership as devout Christians is laughable. And trying to pin the Halocaust on religion is even more laughable.

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Obviously anti-antisemitism was involved. Anti-Antisemitism has a long religious history in Europe. Several hundred years of casting Jews as "evil Christ Killers" made the Holocaust a lot more palatable to the German people.

And my point in pointing out Hitler's faith was the OP's claim that Hitler was an atheist. There is nothing to suggest that Hitler was an atheist. At the very least he was a deist. Most likely, Hitler held quasi-Christian beliefs that many neo-nazi groups still hold today.

 

[Hiphoplives4eva]

HIphoplives4eva has a split personality. On the one hand, he is a mild mannered reasonable podcast host and on the other hand, he is an irrational trolling b*stard.

Why thank you kind sir!

In my defense, this post wasn't meant as an attempt in trolling. Im just curious as to what the end point for atheism is. It just seems to me that societies that have no basis in a religious construct tend to become morally bankrupt in its govening style and attitudes toward its citizens.