Dinesh D'Souza on Black failure

[theworldismine13]

sport, I don't feel no type of way about blacks changing the way they do things, I do feel some type of way about the way YOU think those things need to be done

I can't say I give a fuk about what you don't like

You admitting you didn't watch the video is probably the last straw in any respect I have for you, now I know for a fact you are just in here babbling

 

[kermit da hustla]

you don't need to watch an interview of dinesh dsouza to know he'll say something to insult your intelligence.

it's not complicated.

 

[theworldismine13]

you don't need to watch an interview of dinesh dsouza to know he'll say something to insult your intelligence.

it's not complicated.

Yeah but you do have to be an ideologue and disingenuous to critique a video without watching it, it's kinda like you crying about Carson going on hannity and then it turns out it was a harmless interview

We need to have an open environment where all ideas are discussed, we don't need political correctness, ideologues and intellectual suppression

 

[NZA]

what little i know about dinesh seems to suggest he is a professional indian c00n for money. i dont even know if he personally believes in anything or gives a damn, but he knows he can make a quick buck off CACs and CAC minded stockholm syndrome suffering people

that being said, the most important thing immigrants ever do is leave a country that was stifling them. all of their good behaviors were, apparently useless back home. their native environment was placing some kind of ceiling on their aspirations, so they left. i suspect the lesson to be learned from immigrants is that black people need to get the hell out of america, unfortunately.

 

[Hiphoplives4eva]

While I agree with the concept of blacks not taking advantage of the American opportunity due to poor family structure, its a very dangerous idea to promote the concept of racism being some sort of "thing of the past" or "antiquated concept." Sadly he expertly destroys the pathetic "black leadership" that we have running around this country in Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton, and the other water carriers for the democrats.

But yeah, the guy has a few valid points, but the overall message is a very dangerous one for the black community. It's demonic really.

In all reality, this fakkit should have dissected the disgusting indian caste system that has existed for hundreds of years in his home country and is accepted as the norm. As well as the appalling rape culture that his mother country has produced. He clearly got all his conceptions of race in America from research articles and books, yet many people LIVE through real racism and have died because of it. His casual dismissal of racism as "rational racism" is demonic and something this coconut ass indian obviously has never really experienced.

 

[No_bammer_weed]

Sadly he expertly destroys the pathetic "black leadership" that we have running around this country in Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton, and the other water carriers for the democrats.

And how exactly is D'Souza not a water carrier for the conservative elite? Hes been a republican shill for decades, which his discredited movies, speeches, and books attest.

Its perversely entertaining the way conservative "intellectuals" twist themselves into mental pretzels, trying to indict black "culture" as a source for community woes and struggles, yet this "culture" somehow developed, and exists independently from the white mainstream, and its environment of discrimination and belittlement.

And The Real is right...comparing blacks to legal immigrants is invalid. Immigrants are carefully selected, based on probability of success. They generally have a network of support and resources, and accomplished families backing them. They hit the American shores running --- they're not washing up from the Atlantic w/ 3 dollars to their name, like some conservatives would like you to believe.

 

[newarkhiphop]

I can't say I give a fuk about what you don't like

You admitting you didn't watch the video is probably the last straw in any respect I have for you, now I know for a fact you are just in here babbling

man you can't be this fukkin dumb, who says I didn't watch the video, I said I wrote my post about immigrants before I saw the video, obviously I saw it you dumb c*nt or I wouldn't have asked you how you felt about him shytttin on your idiotic ideas about education, now I see why your a joke around here

 

[theworldismine13]

man you can't be this fukkin dumb, who says I didn't watch the video, I said I wrote my post about immigrants before I saw the video, obviously I saw it you dumb c*nt or I wouldn't have asked you how you felt about him shytttin on your idiotic ideas about education, now I see why your a joke around here

Nah it's not obvious that you saw it becuase he doesn't say anything that goes against anything i said, are you retarded?

Where part of the video was it where he shytted on my ideas about education? I must have missed that and what exactly is your understanding of what my ideas about education are

 

[kermit da hustla]

And how exactly is D'Souza not a water carrier for the conservative elite? Hes been a republican shill for decades, which his discredited movies, speeches, and books attest.

Its perversely entertaining the way conservative "intellectuals" twist themselves into mental pretzels, trying to indict black "culture" as a source for community woes and struggles, yet this "culture" somehow developed, and exists independently from the white mainstream, and its environment of discrimination and belittlement.

And The Real is right...comparing blacks to legal immigrants is invalid. Immigrants are carefully selected, based on the probability of success. They generally have a network of support and resources, and come from accomplished families. They hit the American shores running --- they're not washing up from the Atlantic w/ 3 dollars to their name, like some conservatives would like you to believe.

not to mention these immigrants, assuming they are non-black, are afforded privileges that even black americans aren't awarded. an indian straight off the boat can walk into a bank and get a loan easier than a college-educated black man with good credit. that is the REALITY of being black in america, and this dinesh cocksucker conveniently ignores that.

 

[Chris.B]

He is telling the truth! I'm African and I agree with him 100%

 

[Chris.B]

And how exactly is D'Souza not a water carrier for the conservative elite? Hes been a republican shill for decades, which his discredited movies, speeches, and books attest.

Its perversely entertaining the way conservative "intellectuals" twist themselves into mental pretzels, trying to indict black "culture" as a source for community woes and struggles, yet this "culture" somehow developed, and exists independently from the white mainstream, and its environment of discrimination and belittlement.

And The Real is right...comparing blacks to legal immigrants is invalid. Immigrants are carefully selected, based on probability of success. They generally have a network of support and resources, and accomplished families backing them. They hit the American shores running --- they're not washing up from the Atlantic w/ 3 dollars to their name, like some conservatives would like you to believe.

All my black families who came from Ghana are now middle class making 6 figures...

African Americans have been here for over 400 years and still struggling.

there seems to be a disconnect in black immigrant success compared to AA's

 

[MeachTheMonster]

I don't think the comparison between immigrants and American black people are valid at all. They are two totaly different situations and to compare the two I implies that black culture purposely squanders opportunity in favor of staying impoverished.

First off immigrants that move here and end up in the same poor neighborhoods and schools as the poor black people, have all the same cultural and economic problems as black people. It's not black culture it's poor culture. The environment a person is raised in shapes them.

Second those immigrants that do move here and find success were usualy way better off in their country of origin, than poor black people here. They are already educated with no debt, and good credit. People coming from places like India or the Middle East, Asia, etc. if they had enough money for a plane ticket, they had way more money than the average poor African American family. These people come here with money and a support system, and they don't have to fight the same battles with institutionalized racism.

It's a very invalid comparison to try to use successful immigrants as proof that black Americans aren't trying hard enough.

 

[theworldismine13]

I don't see why you guys are obsessed with this issue of comparing immigrants to blacks, I think you are missing the point of that comparison

The point of studying immigrants is to get new ideas on how to develop the black economy especially things that they do internally, we don't need to go to bank if we develop our own funding mechanisms for example, we don't need to lower the level of racism to increase our savings rate etc etc

Nobody is saying racism doesn't exist, but I think mcwhorter makes an excellent point in this video http://www.the-coli.com/3303635-post55.html that when you pursue the notion that ending racism is the foundation of black economic success you are essentially saying that black people will never succeed until this country is perfect, a notion which I think is false

 

[The Real]

I don't see why you guys are obsessed with this issue of comparing immigrants to blacks, I think you are missing the point of that comparison

The point of studying immigrants is to get new ideas on how to develop the black economy especially things that they do internally, we don't need to go to bank if we develop our own funding mechanisms for example, we don't need to lower the level of racism to increase our savings rate etc etc

That's a fair point, but do we really need to study other groups to arrive at these relatively basic ideas? Historically, I think Black people were already pursuing them in many forms, whether through Black Wall Street or whatever else. When D'souza employs that narrative here, he's doing it in bad faith- specifically to make that simplistic comparison and thereby distort the context of Black failure. I think you're being too charitable to that video.

Nobody is saying racism doesn't exist, but I think mcwhorter makes an excellent point in this video http://www.the-coli.com/3303635-post55.html that when you pursue the notion that ending racism is the foundation of black economic success you are essentially saying that black people will never succeed until this country is perfect, a notion which I think is false

That's also a fair point, but I think it's largely a strawman. I don't think anyone is calling for an end to racism before Black organization and development can begin. It's more about specific issues that do make up real, structural barriers- how can Black people start businesses at the rate of immigrants or anyone else without relatively equal access to the basics, like the initial loans?

 

[Chris.B]

I don't think the comparison between immigrants and American black people are valid at all. They are two totaly different situations and to compare the two I implies that black culture purposely squanders opportunity in favor of staying impoverished.

First off immigrants that move here and end up in the same poor neighborhoods and schools as the poor black people, have all the same cultural and economic problems as black people. It's not black culture it's poor culture. The environment a person is raised in shapes them.

Second those immigrants that do move here and find success were usualy way better off in their country of origin, than poor black people here. They are already educated with no debt, and good credit. People coming from places like India or the Middle East, Asia, etc. if they had enough money for a plane ticket, they had way more money than the average poor African American family. These people come here with money and a support system, and they don't have to fight the same battles with institutionalized racism.

It's a very invalid comparison to try to use successful immigrants as proof that black Americans aren't trying hard enough.

At the height of racism the AA family did not have this many deadbeats, high incarceration rate and poverty levels.

The breakdown of the family has everything to do with it. You can blame racism all you want but at the end of the day, black immigrants who have the same skin color are succeeding at the rate 80% higher than blacks born and bred here....

Racism exist but at the end of the day, your destiny is in your own hands.