Dinesh D'Souza on Black failure

[theworldismine13]

This is due to two things I'll use Indians and Asians as the example of this

1. The people in there community reinvest in there business , they do as much shopping as possible in there own community stores and no where else . There clothes , there food , there liquor , there entertainment they get it all inside there own communities and by communities i just don't mean there own block i mean they will drive out there wait to there Asian or Indian towns and spend $$$. That's real economic stimulation


2. There is a lot of "hand me down" businesses in those communities ( not hand me down poverty that happens in black and Hispanic communities) What i mean by this is the following

Generation 1: Comes to america breaks there back working and living as frugal as possible , emphasis educations as much as possible to there children , but has a medium level to low level of education themselves, continues working up to 3 jobs, saves X amount of money, helps family when they come live with them, buys property and opens up FAMILY RUN small business ABC ( Can be anything from a corner store to a dentist office). They now retire go back to homeland , leaves ABC to children and family.

Generation 2 : The children + family members of Gen 1. They children who have now received a higher education because of there parents push ( also has small to no debts ) expands the business even more and makes it more profitable than there parents could , they are now able to give the family members who were making very little money to start off with more money, so now they too can start to get there children educated. The children of Gen 1 , now adults instill the importance of business management to children , buy more property, retire at a early age leave ABC to there children.


Generation 3: Children of Gen 2, Grand Children of Gen 1. Come into the family business highly educated with No debt and very nice saving fund. There only job at this point is to bring as many family members into the family business as possible so they too can prospers at this point they are very Americanized and highly respected within there community The business is now run by almost all family members, the children of GEN 3 who are born with large savings ( for college) can now chose to integrate themselves into the family business OR chose to open there own business (all while continuing the cycle) OR can chose another career path. The ABC family business is still in the family and everyone prospers.


So you see its not just about accumulation of wealth and education its about doing those things AND helping others to do it to, not right away but slowly over time.

Again I don't get this, you just wrote an essay on why immigrants have ways of doing things that make them succesful, how is this a counter point to what dude is saying? I'm not following

 

[newarkhiphop]

Again I don't get this, you just wrote an essay on why immigrants have ways of doing things that make them succesful, how is this a counter point that what dude is saying? I'm not following

its not meant to be a counterpoint , was just a response to a comment that Ms O. made about immigrants

but looking at the video you dont feel no type of way when dude said something to the effect that even the most educated black is not making as much as the least educated white dude to the racial oppression?

 

[theworldismine13]

its not meant to be a counterpoint , was just a response to a comment that Ms O. made about immigrants

but looking at the video you dont feel no type of way when dude said something to the effect that even the most educated black is not making as much as the least educated white dude to the racial oppression?

Yeah but the problem is not that it's a not a counterpoint, it's that your post is a co-sign of what he was saying, he was saying that immigrants have habits and ways of doing things that make them more succesful than African Americans and you basically elaborated and specified what those thing were, so your post was a cosign

I don't feel any type of way about anything he said, I am open to all thoughts and ideologies, if agree i agree, if I don't agree then I dont, but overall I don't have a problem with what he said and I did not get emotional watching it, was I suppose to?

 

[newarkhiphop]

Yeah but the problem is not that it's a not a counterpoint, it's that your post is a co-sign of what he was saying, he was saying that immigrants have habits and ways of doing things that make them more succesful than African Americans and you basically elaborated and specified what those thing were, so your post was a cosign

I don't feel any type of way about anything he said, I am open to all thoughts and ideologies, if agree i agree, if I don't agree then I dont, but overall I don't have a problem with what he said and I did not get emotional watching it, was I suppose to?

i wrote my post prior to listening to the video , no just wondering since ur passionate about your education theory,

 

[newarkhiphop]

This is the realest post in this thread, as an immigrant this pretty much how it goes down. Im successful in this country because the first generation strive there asses off to make sure I succeeded. But I wont lie, I do have the typical American mindest, I want the most for the least amount of effort. Thats not to say Americans don't work hard, but I aint sending half my check back home to the mother country, to eat rice and beans here(America). Me personally, I think AA's have gotten comfortable, I use to hear all the time when I moved here that black americans have to work twice as hard to succeeded as whites, but how many nikkas actually believe(most) and apply it to everything they do, not most Integration really made us weak as a collective and damaged the mindset of children born after the 70s, 80s, and 90s of being equal in a society thats anything but.

where your from?

 

[theworldismine13]

i wrote my post prior to listening to the video , no just wondering since ur passionate about your education theory,

There is nothing in the video that goes against my "education theory", as I pointed out before when you posted that story about the college grad that couldn't get a job, you dont understand my "education theory" if you think that story goes against my theory

And as I also said and this guy said, ending work place discrimination is not the key to black economic development, so from what I saw there is anything in the video that stood out to me, I mostly cosign the video

The only part I had a problem with is his downplaying the importance of civil liberties and constitutional rights, I wouldn't go as far as he did in excluding it from economic development, I support enforcement of civil rights laws

 

[Imyremeshaw]

where your from?

Morocco

 

[theworldismine13]

i wrote my post prior to listening to the video

Wow so this is quite interesting, so you have no problem discussing immigrant success but then you "feel some type of way" becuase me or dinesh suggest that black people may have to change the way they do things?

I find this attitude to be quite it's more evidence on why i find your worldview disgusting and repugnant

 

[The Real]

Again I don't get this, you just wrote an essay on why immigrants have ways of doing things that make them succesful, how is this a counter point that what dude is saying? I'm not following

Most successful immigrants come here with college degrees and the financial support necessary to begin a proper life. The successful ones are already privileged from the get-go, in terms of both money and opportunity, compared to the average Black person.

Obviously, there's a cultural difference- most successful Asians come from cultures where academics are extremely important. But the ones who come here aren't just the ones who have benefited from that culture for generations. They have additional advantages. There's no way to properly analogize immigants and Black people.

 

[theworldismine13]

Most successful immigrants come here with college degrees and the financial support necessary to begin a proper life. The successful ones are already privileged from the get-go, in terms of both money and opportunity, compared to the average Black person.

Obviously, there's a cultural difference- most successful Asians come from cultures where academics are extremely important. But the ones who come here aren't just the ones who have benefited from that culture for generations. They have additional advantages. There's no way to properly analogize immigants and Black people.

I don't see what this is suppose to mean, I'm fully aware of the advantages and disadvantages of immigrants, how would that be evidence that my so called "education theory" is wrong and how does that contradict what dinesh is saying

If education has been the key to success for immigrant groups, black people having a different history is not evidence that education is not the key to black success, regardless of black history the fact the education is the key in the rise and fall of world powers and wealth is not going to change

Black people need to look at other people and how they became succesful and also read world history to understand the trends throught world history and then combine that with our own history to create an a black economic plan, that is all I've done and I would suggest all black people do that

 

[The Real]

I don't see what this is suppose to mean, I'm fully aware of the advantages and disadvantages of immigrants, how would that be evidence that my so called "education theory" is wrong and how does that contradict what dinesh is saying

If education has been the key to success for immigrant groups, black people having a different history is not evidence that education is not the key to black success, regardless of black history the fact the education is the key in the rise and fall of world powers and wealth is not going to change

You're putting words in his mouth, since his point wasn't about education, and even then, your argument is not strong, since the conditions are just too different. Again, the attempt to analogize here is strained. I know you're trying to shift the discussion to education, but that's not what I'm responding to with respect to his point (and your initial agreement with it.)

 

[superunknown23]

Didn't this idiot release a racist anti-Obama movie last year that was supposed to sway the election?
His stuff is mostly posted on world net daily (the right-wing conspiracy theory website)... and that's all you need to know

 

[The Real]

Didn't this idiot release a racist anti-Obama movie last year that was supposed to sway the election?
His stuff is mostly posted on world net daily... and that's all you need to know

Yeah he dropped some movie about Obama's entire agenda being the result of anti-colonial resentment against European and American power and tried to connect him to Frantz Fanon and other anti-colonial militants and revolutionaries.

 

[theworldismine13]

You're putting words in his mouth, since his point wasn't about education, and even then, your argument is not strong, since the conditions are just too different. Again, the attempt to analogize here is strained.

I don't think i know what you mean by analogize

But creating a proper economic plan requires studying other people, nations and other cultures and seeing what made them succesful or not succesful and then combining it with our own history to come up with a plan, if you call that analogizing and you feel there is something wrong with doing that, which i feel is perfectly logical and commonsense then we just point blank disagree

Like how do you study black economics without comparing blacks to other groups? What academic principle says that blacks should be studied in isolation? That's just nutty, if you study lack economics you have to "analogize" there is no way around that, you have to compare them to other groups, what exactly is your definition of "analogize"

 

[newarkhiphop]

Wow so this is quite interesting, so you have no problem discussing immigrant success but then you "feel some type of way" becuase me or dinesh suggest that black people may have to change the way they do things?

I find this attitude to be quite it's more evidence on why i find your worldview disgusting and repugnant

sport, I don't feel no type of way about blacks changing the way they do things, I do feel some type of way about the way YOU think those things need to be done