Dinesh D'Souza on Black failure

[MeachTheMonster]

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Everybody can be a minority by the pure defenition of the word. It just depends on how you split the people up. But in reality when we talk about minorities in America we are not talking about Jewish people.

Also going by your goofy assertion black people are a majority since they are mostly Christian.


And you know this, but you'd rather create strawman and argue semantics as usual

 

[TLR Is Mental Poison]

Everybody can be a minority by the pure defenition of the word. It just depends on how you split the people up. But in reality when we talk about minorities in America we are not talking about Jewish people.

Also going by your goofy assertion black people are a majority since they are mostly Christian.


And you know this, but you'd rather create strawman and argue semantics as usual

I get it. So a minority is just defined by who MeachTheMonster decides is a minority by ideological convenience.

You call it semantics, I call it using definitions that everyone understands/agrees on. Yes Jews are white, yes blacks are Christian, yes both groups are minorities. They are minorities by the dictionary definition and they are minorities in American society. Most Americans don't personally know any black people or Jews

 

[MeachTheMonster]

I get it. So a minority is just defined by who MeachTheMonster decides is a minority by ideological convenience.

You call it semantics, I call it using definitions that everyone understands/agrees on. Yes Jews are white, yes blacks are Christian, yes both groups are minorities. They are minorities by the dictionary definition and they are minorities in American society. Most Americans don't personally know any black people or Jews

Then why are Jews not counted in the minority stats and studies y'all like to quote?

Like I said it depends on how you split it up. In order to say Jews are a minority you use religion as the qualifier. In order to say black people are a minority you use race as the qualifier. If Jews are a minority due to their religion than black people are a majority due to theirs.

If we are going to break white people up by religion/ethnicity than each indivudal group is a minority.

Like I said you just want to argue semantics for the sake of argument.

 

[TLR Is Mental Poison]

Whose "yall"? And you can't complain about arguing semantics dude. Im not going back and forth with you, just wanted to @ Jews being a majority.

 

[MeachTheMonster]

Whose "yall"? And you can't complain about arguing semantics dude. Im not going back and forth with you, just wanted to @ Jews being a majority.

at Jews being a "minority" in the same sense that blacks and latin are.

 

[theworldismine13]

Has nothing to do with white people liking me. That's more shyt that you made up. Where did I say white people need to like me?

I don't know why you keep denying what you jut said, you just spent 20 pages saying how black people cannot come up until white people treat you as an equal

 

[MeachTheMonster]

I don't know why you keep denying what you jut said, you just spent 20 pages saying how black people cannot come up until white people treat you as an equal

That's how you want to frame my argument. So you can keep arguing against that assertion as opposed to what I actualy said.

Go right ahead and fight your strawman I won't stop you anymore.

 

[theworldismine13]

That's how you want to frame my argument. So you can keep arguing against that assertion as opposed to what I actualy said.

Go right ahead and fight your strawman I won't stop you anymore.

yeah that is the way i frame it, and it is accurate

everytime you get in these threads and make a speech about how black people cant change or improve until white people change you are putting the future of black in the hands of white people

i think your problem is that you havent really sat down and thought about the significance of your own words

 

[MeachTheMonster]

yeah that is the way i frame it, and it is accurate

everytime you get in these threads and make a speech about how black people cant change or improve until white people change you are putting the future of black in the hands of white people

i think your problem is that you havent really sat down and thought about the significance of your own words

I've never said black people can't change or improve until white people change. In fact I said the exact opposite. Black people can and do change and improve everyday.

 

[theworldismine13]

I've never said black people can't change or improve until white people change. In fact I said the exact opposite. Black people can and do change and improve everyday.

You and rapbeats just spent 20 pages saying black people can't improve unless white people change and white people accept you

And in the education threads you wrote pages about black culture can't improve until white culture improves

It's like you don't even understand what your are saying when you say it

 

[MeachTheMonster]

You and rapbeats just spent 20 pages saying black people can't improve unless white people change and white people accept you

And in the education threads you wrote pages about black culture can't improve until white culture improves

It's like you don't even understand what your are saying when you say it

Your just making shyt up. Quote a post in which i said that black people can't improve unless white people change and accept me.

You make this totally incorect assertion that black culture is somehow formed and maintained in a vacuum seperate from American culture. Black culture IS American culture. There is no behavior that you can attribute to all black people and there is no behavior that you can attribute to only black people.

 

[theworldismine13]

Your just making shyt up. Quote a post in which i said that black people can't improve unless white people change and accept me.

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Do you even read what you wrote? You just made a post a page ago saying that social acceptance by whites is the key to black progress

This is what you wrote

Reality is that social equality equals economic equality. It's like that here in America and everywhere else on the planet and at any time in history.

So unless I'm missing something you are saying that white people have to treat you as an equal in order for black people to improve economically

I'm not puttin words in your mouth, those are your own words, if you don't understand what you write maybe you should think about what you are saying

You make this totally incorect assertion that black culture is somehow formed and maintained in a vacuum seperate from American culture. Black culture IS American culture. There is no behavior that you can attribute to all black people and there is no behavior that you can attribute to only black people

that's fine, I'm sure you have a logical reason in your head for what you are saying, but I'm not putting words in your mouth, you are saying black culture cannot improve unless white culture improves, you spent pages in the education theeads making that point

 

[MeachTheMonster]

Do you even read what you wrote? You just made a post a page ago saying that social acceptance by whites is the key to black progress

This is what you wrote

So unless I'm missing something you are saying that white people have to treat you as an equal in order for black people to improve economically

I'm not puttin words in your mouth, those are your own words, if you don't understand what you write maybe you should think about what you are saying

Saying that historicaly social equality is directly related to economic achievement. Is not the same saying "white people have to treat me as an equal in order to improve economically" social equality can be achieved with or without white people "liking and accepting" me. Social equality doesn't mean that racism doesn't exist.

that's fine, I'm sure you have a logical reason in your head for what you are saying, but I'm not putting words in your mouth, you are saying black culture cannot improve unless white culture improves, you spent pages in the education theeads making that point

Once again there is no such thing as "black" or "white" culture in America, it's all the same. It's American culture

 

[theworldismine13]

Saying that historicaly social equality is directly related to economic achievement. Is not the same saying "white people have to treat me as an equal in order to improve economically" social equality can be achieved with or without white people "liking and accepting" me. Social equality doesn't mean that racism doesn't exist.

What exactly is your definition of social equality?

Once again there is no such thing as "black" or "white" culture in America, it's all the same. It's American culture

So again according to you the culture of black people of America cannot improve until the whole of America improves, the majority of america is white so I don't see how I'm putting words in your mouth

 

[MeachTheMonster]

What exactly is your definition of social equality?




So again according to you the culture of black people of America cannot improve until the whole of America improves, the majority of america is white so I don't see how I'm putting words in your mouth

Social equality - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

American society needs to change in order for American culture to change. That's it. All this extra shyt you are trying to attribute to that statement is nonsense. In fact you're entire argument hinges on assumptions and strawmen that you created.