Did the Kobe/Gasol Lakers overachieve or underachieve

[Houston911]

zach randolph+marc gasol>>>>>pau

pau was obviously the best player out of the 3 though

any other offensive-minded coach, which is a lot easier to get than another all star big man in the Lakers situation

i don't know how, but you've actually convinced to ignore reality and believe this nonsense

nash spent 6 years in dallas, they had a top 7 pace in 5 of those 6 seasons

if that's not an offensive minded coach, what is?

lets keep it reality here

the odds of kobe winning a ring with a teammate other than gasol is a lot higher than a coach turning nash from a fringe all star to an mvp overnight......at the age of 30

 

[Jplaya2023]

you got some incredibly high standards if you think this group underachieved.



yeah, I wonder what TMac woulda done with a great big man.

or a big man that didn't retire because his body broke down

 

[mastermind]

Yao retired in 2011 breh.

TMac left Houston in 2009

Find a better excuse because both dudes were there in the playoffs

 

[Sierra Mist]

Very anti climatic era of the Lakers history man. And if you notice it's always some bullshyt that fukks them up.

 

[superunknown23]

they are what we thought they were

 

[GoddamnyamanProf]

zach randolph+marc gasol>>>>>pau

pau was obviously the best player out of the 3 though



i don't know how, but you've actually convinced to ignore reality and believe this nonsense

nash spent 6 years in dallas, they had a top 7 pace in 5 of those 6 seasons

if that's not an offensive minded coach, what is?

lets keep it reality here

the odds of kobe winning a ring with a teammate other than gasol is a lot higher than a coach turning nash from a fringe all star to an mvp overnight......at the age of 30

Since we're talking reality let's be reality then, because right now you're trying to distort the chronological order of events to better fit your ill-conceived arguments


You're talking as if Nash was languishing until D'Antoni came along and "transformed" him. Quite the opposite. Phoenix had Pringles coaching for 2 and a half years running that same high-octane, failsafe offense AND.....didn't win shyt. It wasn't until Steve Nash came along that D'Antoni started to look like an offensive genius. Nash was the catalyst. They part ways and whatdayaknow...turns out Mike's "system" didn't QUITE turn any random pg into an MVP candidate the way people like you claimed it would, did it? The Mike D'Antoni era in NY culminates with one first round sweep and then D'Antoni fired.


Ironically enough, the scenario which you falsely tried to paint being the case for Nash, was actually the case for Kobe. He WAS languishing on shyt teams...didn't win shyt ousted every first round (by Nash ) to the point that "the greatest Laker ever" didn't want to be a Laker any more. Demanding trades, demanding his teammates be traded on fan-recorded videos in supermarket parking lots Gasol arrives, Kobe immediately knows another great big man is his key to winning w/o Shaq and, lo and behold, Lakers immediately go from 1st round fodder to 3 straight finals appearances, winning 2. Without that Kwame deal, none of that happens. Gasol was the catalyst. Sitting here and making up assumed fantasy deals in which the Lakers get OTHER theoretical 19 & 10 7-footers for Kwame Brown and then simulating entire seasons of Kobe playing alongside these other imaginary big men to declare them just as or more successful as what actually happened when Kobe played with Gasol...

All in the name of downplaying Kobe's teammates to try to further prop him up

Kobestans are something else

 

[Soundwave]

you got some incredibly high standards if you think this group underachieved.



yeah, I wonder what TMac woulda done with a great big man.

Low blow breh

 

[holidayinn21]

Since we're talking reality let's be reality then, because right now you're trying to distort the chronological order of events to better fit your ill-conceived arguments


You're talking as if Nash was languishing until D'Antoni came along and "transformed" him. Quite the opposite. Phoenix had Pringles coaching for 2 and a half years running that same high-octane, failsafe offense AND.....didn't win shyt. It wasn't until Steve Nash came along that D'Antoni started to look like an offensive genius. Nash was the catalyst. They part ways and whatdayaknow...turns out Mike's "system" didn't QUITE turn any random pg into an MVP candidate the way people like you claimed it would, did it? The Mike D'Antoni era in NY culminates with one first round sweep and then D'Antoni fired.


Ironically enough, the scenario which you falsely tried to paint being the case for Nash, was actually the case for Kobe. He WAS languishing on shyt teams...didn't win shyt ousted every first round (by Nash ) to the point that "the greatest Laker ever" didn't want to be a Laker any more. Demanding trades, demanding his teammates be traded on fan-recorded videos in supermarket parking lots Gasol arrives, Kobe immediately knows another great big man is his key to winning w/o Shaq and, lo and behold, Lakers immediately go from 1st round fodder to 3 straight finals appearances, winning 2. Without that Kwame deal, none of that happens. Gasol was the catalyst. Sitting here and making up assumed fantasy deals in which the Lakers get OTHER theoretical 19 & 10 7-footers for Kwame Brown and then simulating entire seasons of Kobe playing alongside these other imaginary big men to declare them just as or more successful as what actually happened when Kobe played with Gasol...

All in the name of downplaying Kobe's teammates to try to further prop him up

Kobestans are something else

nash had been on stacked squads for about 8 years. never reached the finals

nash was one odom box out away from losing to a 7th seed.

nash got raped by tony parker and was 1st-round exit status.

you say kobe wasn't getting out the 1st-round before pau, yet nash w/o amare is not even a playoff squad, even though his numbers are actually getting better.

and you shytting on kobe?

really?

 

[ElTerrible]

why is TMAC even being mentioned in a thread where Kobe is in the title? Kobe and crew overachieved, they played better when Kobe coached than their own damn coach, their were set up to fail

 

[GoddamnyamanProf]

uh oh, losing all arguments here. Better try to shift into some sort of arbitrary Nash vs Kobe debate

Nice try

 

[mastermind]

Low blow breh

it has nothing to do with you, Yao, or McGrady. JPlaya hates Kobe so he needs to pay.

I remember him riding for TMac hard saying "if TMac had a great player beside him, he would do what Kobe did." yeah, that worked out.

 

[Long Live The Kane]

Write as many excuses and fantasy scenarios as you want

Doesn't change reality:

No Pau? No finals MVPs for Kobe. The end.

It's not an excuse you fukking fakkit, it's common sense...and just as much a "fantasy scenario" as the one where Pau for whatever reason is apparently the only player in existence that could be paired with Kobe and win rings...it's not some kind of magical coincidence that a small handful of players have won the vast majority of every NBA championship in our lifetime...when you have a top 10 player in NBA history on your team, the "fill in the blank with other pieces that are good enough to make a legitimate run at a title" part becomes a lot easier...pointing out that Pau was a marginal allstar player before coming to the lakers is not downplaying him, it's just a matter of fact...

For perspective's sake...If Phoenix wanted to land Pau, the Great Gate Keeper of Championships, in exchange for Amare back then...to pair with the great great multiple MVP Steve Nash...memphis would've sent Gasol on the first thing smoking to the desert and thrown in Crunchy Black to perform a celebratory jig when they touched down at the airport

And the suns still wouldn't have won a goddamned thing, and Steve Nash would still be a ringless overhyped muh'fukka with a dyke's haircut...

 

[Houston911]

Since we're talking reality let's be reality then, because right now you're trying to distort the chronological order of events to better fit your ill-conceived arguments


Phoenix had Pringles coaching for 2 and a half years running that same high-octane, failsafe offense AND.....didn't win shyt. It wasn't until Steve Nash along that D'Antoni started to look like an offensive genius.

Steve Nash arrived in Phoenix in 2004-2005
Mike D'antonis first season as a head coach was 2004-2005
Mike D'antoni was the interim coach for part of 2003-2004

How can you assume that Nash made dantoni look like a genius when they got there at the same time?

Dantoni made jeremy lin (a bum) put up all star statistics. He made Raymond Felton put up all star numbers. We will give him his respect. We will not foolishly assume that Steven made him when he has made bums and average players look like stars.

Don't think I forgot that you didnt even understand the offensive system your team was running after d'gawdtoni left. I pulled out the quotes from Gentry and you tried to play mindreader. "alvin didn't mean that, he was just being nice." NOPE, im from the south. nobody can read a black minds mind better than me, and he meant what he said.

Bruh, you gotta realize not only do I watch a lot of basketball, I played the game too. These stunts don't work with me.

I still love you my brother

 

[GoddamnyamanProf]

It's not an excuse you fukking fakkit

Didn't read past this. Come at me like a man or you'll be treated like a child.

 

[Da Jungles]

@ "d'gawdtoni"