Did the Kobe/Gasol Lakers overachieve or underachieve

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Steve Nash arrived in Phoenix in 2004-2005
Mike D'antonis first season as a head coach was 2004-2005
Mike D'antoni was the interim coach for part of 2003-2004

How can you assume that Nash made dantoni look like a genius when they got there at the same time? :russ:

Dantoni made jeremy lin (a bum) put up all star statistics. He made Raymond Felton put up all star numbers. We will give him his respect. We will not foolishly assume that Steven made him when he has made bums and average players look like stars.

Don't think I forgot that you didnt even understand the offensive system your team was running after d'gawdtoni left. :russ: I pulled out the quotes from Gentry and you tried to play mindreader. "alvin didn't mean that, he was just being nice." NOPE, im from the south. nobody can read a black minds mind better than me, and he meant what he said.

Bruh, you gotta realize not only do I watch a lot of basketball, I played the game too. These stunts don't work with me. :skip:

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We can continue to pretend that he created anything CLOSE to the success the Suns had w/ Nash....OR....we can accept reality

Felton put up "all star numbers" in NY. [43%fg- his shooting numbers definitely didn't go up and stay there like Nash's have - yet another sign of Nash's improvements independent of D'Antoni] That's cool. Raymond Felton wasn't an all-star. And he was traded before that same season was over.

Then we got Lin - another D'Antoni success story, no doubt, right? Yes, so heralded was Mike for discovering this diamond in the rough, this savior that could only prosper in the fabled and non-existent D'Antoni system...that the Knicks fired D'Antoni about a month after the entire Linsanity thing popped off. Quite a vote of confidence there. Reality, of course, is that D'Antoni only stumbled upon Linsanity due to having to play their 12th man in a bit of injured desperation. What's more, once the happy accident was discovered, Lin wasn't eating off "D'Antoni" plays - run outs, fast breaks, tons of 3's. This bum, as you call him, did most of his damage in the halfcourt - iso drives and standard pnr fare.

Bottom line, all of D'Antoni's NBA coaching experiences to date w/o Steve Nash as his starting point guard can most easily be described as failures. I can look up his winning percentage with and without Steve if you REALLY want to be :merchant: at your computer screen.

The Gentry issue is a done deal, we been through it time and again already. I've watched every Suns game he's coached. You can't say the same. I've posted the numbers, stats that all reinforce what I've seen with my eyes. Been there done that multiple times on that other site. It's not the same shyt they were running when Mike was Phoenix, when Nash was winning MVP's with allegedly-inflated numbers that have since remained constant. It's not 7 seconds or less. They don't run or gun any more than the average team.

You, on the other hand, have a standard humble media quote giving props to his former mentor years ago, and the fact that you're black :upsetfavre: That's cool, its funny, that's fine for when you're fukking around w/ these posters but...nah, breh. You need more than that.

Those stunts don't work with me. :youngsabo:
 

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They overachieved at some points but I thought they accomplished what they should have. Making 3 straight Finals and winning 2 championships in 5 years is great. Don't know how anyone can say otherwise.
 

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profasi its all love bruh. just accept kobe, you'll feel so much better.
 

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Primes or how they were at the very beginning of their careers?
Kobe/Gasol Lakers overachieved in their first half season together. They just got hot, and went on a roll all the way thru to the playoffs. They really didnt face too tough of an opposition until the Celtics and the team was not ready for them hungry ass old men.

The next 2 years they did as expected. No complaints from me.

There will never be a modern team that goes to the finals for 4 straight years. It's just not happening. So to expect that from the Lakers was unrealistic.

Profasi in here hating as usual, but it's whatever. His team will always and forever be a footnote.
 

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Kobe/Gasol Lakers overachieved in their first half season together. They just got hot, and went on a roll all the way thru to the playoffs. They really didnt face too tough of an opposition until the Celtics and the team was not ready for them hungry ass old men.

The next 2 years they did as expected. No complaints from me.

There will never be a modern team that goes to the finals for 4 straight years. It's just not happening. So to expect that from the Lakers was unrealistic.

Profasi in here hating as usual, but it's whatever. His team will always and forever be a footnote.

The Heat could very well make it 4 straight trips...who's supposed to stop them in the east in the very near future? Assuming they beat this hobbled Celtics last hoorah, next year is another cake walk to the Finals...no rose for the bulls all of next year, and a "recovery" season the year after that...celtics likely disbanded...who's gonna stand in their way, the pacers?
 

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The Heat could very well make it 4 straight trips...who's supposed to stop them in the east in the very near future? Assuming they beat this hobbled Celtics last hoorah, next year is another cake walk to the Finals...no rose for the bulls all of next year, and a "recovery" season the year after that...celtics likely disbanded...who's gonna stand in their way, the pacers?

That's a lot of basketball though and you basically got 3 guys carrying the entire team. It's not like every team in the east is a complete pushover either.
 

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The Heat could very well make it 4 straight trips...who's supposed to stop them in the east in the very near future? Assuming they beat this hobbled Celtics last hoorah, next year is another cake walk to the Finals...no rose for the bulls all of next year, and a "recovery" season the year after that...celtics likely disbanded...who's gonna stand in their way, the pacers?

4 straight trips? You think D-Wade is going to hold up to that much mileage in 4 years? Bron too? :rudy:

You can talk all that shyt about who's gonna stand in their way but the reality is someone always does. shyt, let us Laker heads tell it and we supposed to be working on our 4-peat right now. There will always be young pups coming for the throne.
 

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4 straight trips? You think D-Wade is going to hold up to that much mileage in 4 years? Bron too? :rudy:

You can talk all that shyt about who's gonna stand in their way but the reality is someone always does. shyt, let us Laker heads tell it and we supposed to be working on our 4-peat right now. There will always be young pups coming for the throne.

People overrate the physical side of it. How much more physically taxing is it to go to the finals 4 straight years as opposed to going to the conference semis each year?

The reason it's hard for teams to go 4 straight years isn't because of fatigue, it's because only one out of 15 teams makes it. The Heat were considered an overwhelming favorite to make it back to the finals and I think they were at 2:1 odds to do so. To beat 2:1 odds 4 straight times is 16:1. Basically, even if they stay as good as they are now for the next few years, they still only have a 6 percent chance of being in the finals all 4 years. fukk fatigue, there are other factors involved here.
 

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People overrate the physical side of it. How much more physically taxing is it to go to the finals 4 straight years as opposed to going to the conference semis each year?

conference semis, as in 2nd round?

and seeing as one is done with more frequency than the other, I would say a lot more difficult.
 

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4 straight trips? You think D-Wade is going to hold up to that much mileage in 4 years? Bron too? :rudy:


You can talk all that shyt about who's gonna stand in their way but the reality is someone always does. shyt, let us Laker heads tell it and we supposed to be working on our 4-peat right now. There will always be young pups coming for the throne.

Projecting 4 seasons into the future I'd have some worries about Wade...but I'm working under the assumption that they end up beating the Celtics in ECF this year (2 in the row)...I can see Wade holding up for 2 more seasons at a high level...Bron will still be in the absolute prime of his career, and is apparently made out of adamantium...not saying it's some automatic lock that they do it, but they have way too good of a chance at making 4 finals in a row for me to say it'll never ever happen...
 

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conference semis, as in 2nd round?

and seeing as one is done with more frequency than the other, I would say a lot more difficult.

I'm talking about the role fatigue plays in all of it. If the Heat took a 1st round exit last year, they wouldn't be any more energized now.
 

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it has nothing to do with you, Yao, or McGrady. JPlaya hates Kobe so he needs to pay.

I remember him riding for TMac hard saying "if TMac had a great player beside him, he would do what Kobe did." yeah, that worked out. :smugfavre:

IT HAS EVERYTHING TO DO WITH ME :damn:

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