Did slave breeding actually exist?

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Only thing that did was increase the dikk size among slave descendents, slaves were picked from Africa because african blacks had the genetic potential to be incredibly efficient laborers in a tropical environment where CACs would quickly get skin cancer and diseases.
 

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Couple things about the sports argument...

1. Africa is a continent. One of the largest in the world and THE most genetically diverse in the world. You can't compare a country to an entire continent that big when it comes to all sports. There is no such thing as the basic original standard negroid. Black people in all different parts of Africa are known for different physical traits based on which part.

2. One could argue that the U.S dominantes the sports we take seriously because we have the most money and have the best doctors, trainers, coaches, nutritionists, and the best facilities. The same cannot be said for many poorer African nations who can't afford to make heavy investments in sports like that. Not everyone is on the same playing field.

3. African nations whip everyone's ass every year in the marathon and basically any long distance running event. By your logic black Americans should have the highest endurance on earth and should win endurance events every single time with ease because they were bred to work longer without stopping.

4. Slavery in Jamaica lasted nearly just as long as it did in the states. Jamaicans have absolutely demolished AAs in track (sprinting) over the past 10 years. Do you think it's a coincidence that Jamaica also just so happened to upgrade their training facilities and youth programs 15-20 years ago? Was Jamaica not playing in the Gold Cup final for soccer last month after finally affording a world class coach?



Look, I believe selective breeding did happen... but to what extent and what impact? I dont buy into the idea that all AA are just genetically engineered super-beings due to selective breeding. Theres levels to this ish and its way more complicated than you make it.
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Breeding plantations were a reality during slavery. The male slaves to breed were called studs not Bucks,bucks meant youngings.These plantations made for breeding were called breeding plantations.
The science wasn't there for the breeding to produce super strong/athletic slaves. They thought their strength came from their blackness. Whites assumed that all black were super strong, super sexual and immune to pain and grief. That was the type of stuff in their science books.

Now instead of physical strength, you can hypothesis that our immune systems are stronger because of slavery, but the benefits of that are pretty much moot when you take in account of the physical, mental and emotional stress that comes from slavery and is still present in the generations after.

Slaves were mostly bred for numbers, not any particular trait because the jobs that slaves did varied greatly. Children and elders worked, there was a job for everyone.

I don't think the weak and frail would have made it over on the ships to start with


Its a fact many slaves did not survive after 5 years.Thats why there was a constant supply of slaves from Africa because there was a high mortality right on the plantation. The average life for a slave in America was 5 years for some reason.
 
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They'd buy the biggest slaves possible man and woman for working purposes so yea they bred them both knowingly and unknowingly. If you got nothing but some big Africans they're going to eventually mate
 

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I would think so actually. Especially when you think about how science was becoming more popular and evolution was popping. I think some of the more wealthier and educated owners would think to have the strongest and hardest working procreate for super Slaves

Uh, no, Darwin's theory of evolution didn't even come out until after slavery ended.



:patrice:Theories of Evolution we there infancy back then. However people did know how to breed horse and livestock. The question is how much of this was actually applied to slavery.

Every species of horse/livestock that's selectively bred is one that matures in just a few years.

The problem with humans is that it takes 15 years to mature. Average slaveowner probably has his slaves for 30-40 years at most...that's only 2 generations. They ain't going to be thinking about possibly having a better slave 50 years from now when they ready to die. Greedy b*stards aren't planning ahead thinking about their great-great-grandchildren like all that.

In India and Thailand, they've been using elephants for thousands of years. Yet Asian Elephants used for work in Asia are EXACTLY the same as Asian Elephants in the wild. They've never been selectively bred for any useful traits because it just takes them too fukking long to grow up. It's easier to just take what's available - no one is going to do a bunch of work for 50 years just in the "hope" that you might get a slightly better product by the time you're dead.



It took hundreds of years to even domesticate dogs, and them to get them to the specific breeds they are now took several hundreds more (selecting traits, in breeding / line breeding, culling unwanted animals etc) Another thing to consider is maturity rates for dogs is two years, obviously you can use them for work before that age but most working dogs 1 yr old is the young your going to start them at. With humans you really would have wait until (as sick as this sounds) 7/8 yrs old before they would be useful and even then kid would burn out quick

So imo , forcing slaves to have more children probably did happen but not on a large scakryand with very little if any scientific motivation behind it
Pretty much... No one in here is denying that it didn't happen, but did it happen on a large scale.. .seriously doubt it...

Exactly. It probably happened here or there, but made shyt nothing of a difference.



They most definitely used selective breeding. They didn't PICK or PURCHASE weak brehs....

Slavery lasted the longest in the states, the selective breeding program was advanced, and American Science was way ahead of the rest of the world at that time. Slavery built America into a superpower...OF COURSE they bred selectively...people weren't just being born all willy nilly...

This is just ridiculous. American science was way ahead of the rest of the world in the 1700s and early 1800s? What have you been smoking? Do you think that Newton, Volta, Watt, Dalton, Anders, or Darwin were Americans? And America wasn't a "superpower" until long after slavery was over.

Europe, especially England and Germany and to some extent Italy, was easily the center of the scientific world from the beginning of the scientific revolution all the way into the early 1900s. Even in the late 1800s, well after slavery was over, most of the greatest American scientists (Alexander Graham Bell, Nicolai Tesla) were immigrants who had been trained in Europe first. Hell, the Manhattan Project in the 1940s was 70-80% immigrants at the top levels. America has only very, very recently emerged as a scientific power.

And that wiki article was one of the most useless ones I've seen. There was exactly ONE quote from a slave claiming that selective breeding happened, and ONE historian vouching for it, while TWO historians were quoted arguing against it. Not exactly a case for some advanced, long-term selective breeding program.

Slave owners cared about numbers far more than some pie-in-the-sky idea of genetic improvements hundreds of years in the future.
 

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Couple things about the sports argument...

1. Africa is a continent. One of the largest in the world and THE most genetically diverse in the world. You can't compare a country to an entire continent that big when it comes to all sports. There is no such thing as the basic original standard negroid. Black people in all different parts of Africa are known for different physical traits based on which part.

2. One could argue that the U.S dominantes the sports we take seriously because we have the most money and have the best doctors, trainers, coaches, nutritionists, and the best facilities. The same cannot be said for many poorer African nations who can't afford to make heavy investments in sports like that. Not everyone is on the same playing field.

3. African nations whip everyone's ass every year in the marathon and basically any long distance running event. By your logic black Americans should have the highest endurance on earth and should win endurance events every single time with ease because they were bred to work longer without stopping.

4. Slavery in Jamaica lasted nearly just as long as it did in the states. Jamaicans have absolutely demolished AAs in track (sprinting) over the past 10 years. Do you think it's a coincidence that Jamaica also just so happened to upgrade their training facilities and youth programs 15-20 years ago? Was Jamaica not playing in the Gold Cup final for soccer last month after finally affording a world class coach?



Look, I believe selective breeding did happen... but to what extent and what impact? I dont buy into the idea that all AA are just genetically engineered super-beings due to selective breeding. Theres levels to this ish and its way more complicated than you make it.


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No, there was never any slave breeding.

Natural selection happened by those surviving the boat ride, and the harsh conditions of slavery alone. There is no documentation of 'forced breeding'.

Some silly myth people just ran with, like 'cracker' meaning crack of the whip, or asians eating babies. None of these things are true in the slightest and if people did any research instead of playing telephone and regurgitating shyt they 'hear' they'd realize it.
 

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i'm assuming they made the biggest healthiest slaves fukk each other.

But that doesn't really mean shyt. i don't directly descend from slaves and i'm a lot bigger than the average african american. African americans don't have super genes.

And they're good at sports because they have more fast twitch muscle fibers. Something that all west africans have.

And west africans do dominate in sprinting, soccer, and rugby. Just like black americans dominate in basketball, football, and sprinting.
Only cacs believe that blacks have fast twitching muscles.
 

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And that wiki article was one of the most useless ones I've seen. There was exactly ONE quote from a slave claiming that selective breeding happened, and ONE historian vouching for it, while TWO historians were quoted arguing against it. Not exactly a case for some advanced, long-term selective breeding program.

Slave owners cared about numbers far more than some pie-in-the-sky idea of genetic improvements hundreds of years in the future.
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the torture and rape of black women was the lifeblood of this country dummy. talking about asian elephants? wtf?
 

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Uh, no, Darwin's theory of evolution didn't even come out until after slavery ended.





Every species of horse/livestock that's selectively bred is one that matures in just a few years.

The problem with humans is that it takes 15 years to mature. Average slaveowner probably has his slaves for 30-40 years at most...that's only 2 generations. They ain't going to be thinking about possibly having a better slave 50 years from now when they ready to die. Greedy b*stards aren't planning ahead thinking about their great-great-grandchildren like all that.

In India and Thailand, they've been using elephants for thousands of years. Yet Asian Elephants used for work in Asia are EXACTLY the same as Asian Elephants in the wild. They've never been selectively bred for any useful traits because it just takes them too fukking long to grow up. It's easier to just take what's available - no one is going to do a bunch of work for 50 years just in the "hope" that you might get a slightly better product by the time you're dead.






Exactly. It probably happened here or there, but made shyt nothing of a difference.





This is just ridiculous. American science was way ahead of the rest of the world in the 1700s and early 1800s? What have you been smoking? Do you think that Newton, Volta, Watt, Dalton, Anders, or Darwin were Americans? And America wasn't a "superpower" until long after slavery was over.

Europe, especially England and Germany and to some extent Italy, was easily the center of the scientific world from the beginning of the scientific revolution all the way into the early 1900s. Even in the late 1800s, well after slavery was over, most of the greatest American scientists (Alexander Graham Bell, Nicolai Tesla) were immigrants who had been trained in Europe first. Hell, the Manhattan Project in the 1940s was 70-80% immigrants at the top levels. America has only very, very recently emerged as a scientific power.

And that wiki article was one of the most useless ones I've seen. There was exactly ONE quote from a slave claiming that selective breeding happened, and ONE historian vouching for it, while TWO historians were quoted arguing against it. Not exactly a case for some advanced, long-term selective breeding program.

Slave owners cared about numbers far more than some pie-in-the-sky idea of genetic improvements hundreds of years in the future.

Darwin published his theory in 1859. Slavery in the US ended in 1864

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