Ronnie Lott
#49erGang
I'm gonna just let you be wrong on this one
Did slave breeding actually exist?
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I'm gonna just let you be wrong on this one
what do you mean
?Slaves were brought here for cheap labor.
Once America transitioned to the industrial revolution the use of slave labor pretty much vanished and America became a manufacturing giant in addition to having a vast amount of resources and land.
But even then the verdict was still out on america whether it would become the Empire it is today. After WW I I it was game over. America reigned supreme and here we are today.
Yeah slaves were used to facilitate the economic development of the New World but to say slavery was the reason why america became a full fledged superpower is just not entirely true.
Why would they not? Every single crop and farm animal has been selectively bred to be what it is today.
Them motherfukkers had centuries to do whatever they wanted with our ancestors. What would stop them? Morals?
Where's all the pure African NFL and NBA cats? There's a reason that black Americans totally dominate in this arena.
Them motherfukkers had centuries to do whatever they wanted with our ancestors. What would stop them? Morals?
Where's all the pure African NFL and NBA cats? There's a reason that black Americans totally dominate in this arena.
Ronnie Lott
#49erGang
There's proof in several posts in this thread. But some of y'all nikkaz are either playing dumb, are dumb or are just trolling
Isaiah Bradley
Banned
what do you mean
Slaves were brought here for cheap labor.
Once America transitioned to the industrial revolution the use of slave labor pretty much vanished and America became a manufacturing giant in addition to having a vast amount of resources and land.
But even then the verdict was still out on america whether it would become the Empire it is today. After WW I I it was game over. America reigned supreme and here we are today.
Yeah slaves were used to facilitate the economic development of the New World but to say slavery was the reason why america became a full fledged superpower is just not entirely true.
Wealth begets wealth
Lehman brothers made money during slavery, then proceeded to invest into the stock market
Slavery investments preceded stock market investments
African slave trade was an international business that supported various other industries
godkiller
"We are the Fury"
There's proof in several posts in this thread. But some of y'all nikkaz are either playing dumb, are dumb or are just trolling
There is no proof here, just heresay and nonsense, all of which have been refuted.
wild cherry blossom
lalalalala
Yes this is true they did experiments on the women and fetuses.
There is a scientist who did this and he had written his research in journal's.
Idk how prevalent it was but it happened.
Theories of Evolution we there infancy back then. However people did know how to breed horse and livestock. The question is how much of this was actually applied to slavery.
Theory of evolution was way after that. American slavery was being banned by the time it officially was published.
The Blind Man
Illuminated Attitude Adjuster
Although I have no certified knowledge of genetics I am interested/fascinated with the planet on which we live, especially evolution. So a discussion on Eugenics, im in!
The wife of one of my homies is a genetiscist. During a discussion on the idea of "race" she explained that the information acquired from German scientists post WW2 is the backbone of modern research simply because although the data is useful mass genocide and explicit experiments defy any decent persons ethical/moral code.
Of course this is anecdotal at best I have no way of qualifying that but it did lead me to look in to the history of eugenics, and unsurprisingly Americans we're experimenting long before and influenced the Nazis.
Eugenics in the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
So typically the discussion tends to descend into sports Do indigenous Africans perform to the same level as the diaspora, for me this always falls short as Africa does not have the infrastructure as the US.
Health issues, a well known hypothesis that Africans who survived the Atlantic journey were pre disposed to retaining salt The Africans not predisposed to this did not survive. It is thought the result is hypertension in African Americans, not seen in
Africans.
There is a wealth of data to counter this.
The Anatomy of a Medical Myth
The wife of one of my homies is a genetiscist. During a discussion on the idea of "race" she explained that the information acquired from German scientists post WW2 is the backbone of modern research simply because although the data is useful mass genocide and explicit experiments defy any decent persons ethical/moral code.
Of course this is anecdotal at best I have no way of qualifying that but it did lead me to look in to the history of eugenics, and unsurprisingly Americans we're experimenting long before and influenced the Nazis.
Eugenics in the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
So typically the discussion tends to descend into sports Do indigenous Africans perform to the same level as the diaspora, for me this always falls short as Africa does not have the infrastructure as the US.
Health issues, a well known hypothesis that Africans who survived the Atlantic journey were pre disposed to retaining salt The Africans not predisposed to this did not survive. It is thought the result is hypertension in African Americans, not seen in
Africans.
There is a wealth of data to counter this.
The Anatomy of a Medical Myth
25YOUTHS!!
Superstar
I feel like this thread has veered off the original topic and some of ya'll are arguing points that's been proven pages back.
With that being said, this is what I've learned thru my own research and some posts in this thread:
1. (selective)Slave breeding did occur. FACT. The disagreement is about the extent of it and how of it was "scientifically" based. Just b/c we didn't have the current scientific and genetic knowledge at the time doesn't mean they didn't know that breeding one big person with another big person will yield a big offspring (in general, more likely than getting a big offspring from 2 small parents). The general principle of breeding for certain traits has been around hundreds (if not thousands) of yrs before slavery.
2. The number of slaves IMPORTED to the US is in the 100,000s, not millions. Since the gov. outlawed slave imports in 1808, it would make sense that the slave industry would try to maximize their current stock. Mostly this meant trying to improve productivity by increasing the # of offspring slaves as opposed to specifically breeding for a certain trait(s), but lets not act like they didn't intentionally breed strong with strong for that very reason. Some male slaves were specifically bought for that purpose, and the females for their reproductive potential.
3. The effects of these selective breedings today is negligible in terms of A.As being more physically and athletically dominant compared to other (West) Africans. This is due to the fact that the selective breedings didn't happen over a long enough time period to successfully, consistently select for certain traits. Since slaves were generally bred for #, the few cases of breeding for traits wouldn't necessarily have an impact on the population as a whole. Plus the (relatively) lack of scientific knowledge in terms of genetics, evolution etc. It's not like they were doing blood and DNA tests to see if they had certain genes, traits, etc. It was purely based on how they looked physically; which is not to say that wasn't selective breeding on some level b/c our genotype determines our phenotype.
TL;DR if selective breeding happened, it wasn't on a long enough timeline or selective enough to have an impact on the A.A population today.
Add on and let me know what parts you disagree with (with proof or at least logic). This is an interesting topic depending on how you approach it and there's been some good posts on here whether I agree with them or not.
With that being said, this is what I've learned thru my own research and some posts in this thread:
1. (selective)Slave breeding did occur. FACT. The disagreement is about the extent of it and how of it was "scientifically" based. Just b/c we didn't have the current scientific and genetic knowledge at the time doesn't mean they didn't know that breeding one big person with another big person will yield a big offspring (in general, more likely than getting a big offspring from 2 small parents). The general principle of breeding for certain traits has been around hundreds (if not thousands) of yrs before slavery.
2. The number of slaves IMPORTED to the US is in the 100,000s, not millions. Since the gov. outlawed slave imports in 1808, it would make sense that the slave industry would try to maximize their current stock. Mostly this meant trying to improve productivity by increasing the # of offspring slaves as opposed to specifically breeding for a certain trait(s), but lets not act like they didn't intentionally breed strong with strong for that very reason. Some male slaves were specifically bought for that purpose, and the females for their reproductive potential.
3. The effects of these selective breedings today is negligible in terms of A.As being more physically and athletically dominant compared to other (West) Africans. This is due to the fact that the selective breedings didn't happen over a long enough time period to successfully, consistently select for certain traits. Since slaves were generally bred for #, the few cases of breeding for traits wouldn't necessarily have an impact on the population as a whole. Plus the (relatively) lack of scientific knowledge in terms of genetics, evolution etc. It's not like they were doing blood and DNA tests to see if they had certain genes, traits, etc. It was purely based on how they looked physically; which is not to say that wasn't selective breeding on some level b/c our genotype determines our phenotype.
TL;DR if selective breeding happened, it wasn't on a long enough timeline or selective enough to have an impact on the A.A population today.
Add on and let me know what parts you disagree with (with proof or at least logic). This is an interesting topic depending on how you approach it and there's been some good posts on here whether I agree with them or not.
Wealth begets wealth
Lehman brothers made money during slavery, then proceeded to invest into the stock market
Slavery investments preceded stock market investments
African slave trade was an international business that supported various other industries
Good job ignoring various wars where the us was able to obtain massive lands overseas and wwII
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Field Marshall Bradley
Veteran
You can't be this slow... Your original statement was open ended to begin with and that's why people interpreted it different ways..... All in all, your point is still shyt.....
Field Marshall Bradley
Veteran
You must don't watch sports.... I posted some in this thread off the top of my head that have no slave ancestry.....
25YOUTHS!!
Superstar
This!
The research and finding that the Nazi scientists did is considered groundbreaking, even by today's standards. Of course for ethical reasons they can't be replicated, but best believe some of the most groundbreaking work, especially in pharmacology, genetics and human anatomy/physiology is based on Nazi research and findings. Even today (some) scientists use the Nazi research results as facts to build upon.
Medical schools in the USA (not just the south) snatched slave bodies for dissections and experiments.
Bodies in the Basement: The Forgotten Stolen Bones of America's Medical Schools
The Ethics Of Using Medical Data From Nazi Experiments | Jewish Virtual Library
Night Doctors - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Isaiah Bradley
Banned
Good job ignoring that you need wealth inorder to take advantage of opportunities during wars and obtain lands over seaDo you know how the US mostly benefited from WWI, WWII and a few other wars?