Did Puka Nacua's record-setting year expose Cooper Kupp as a system receiver?

[Da_Eggman]

What the fukk is a system receiver??

 

[duckbutta]

He's playing with the ultimate spam gawd in Stafford.

If Stafford was the cowboys QB Ceedee might would fukk around and get 200 catches

 

[Professor Emeritus]

And he just admitted he doesn't but wants to act like he knows more about the Rams than guys that watch them week in week out every single year

Breh, if I wanted the worst take on any particular team, I would definitely go to the obsessed fans of that team. The worst hot takes in forums are always from fans who watch one team religiously. The worst voters on fan-voted awards are always fans who watch one team religiously. Vegas probably clears 80% of its profits on obsessed fans making bad bets on their own team.

How did this guy ever win Poster of the Year

 

[duckbutta]

The main reason I'm salty is that WRs are so rarely considered for awards, it still seems wild to me that Cooper Kupp of all people is the one to get them.


Only 3 other WRs in NFL history have ever won the OPOY. Calvin Johnson never won an OPOY. Neither did Larry Fitzgerald. Neither did Randy Moss.

Only 7 other WRs had won a Super Bowl MVP, and no one in 50 years had done it with fewer receiving yards than Kupp's 92. There's been over 50 wide receivers who have put up 100+ yards in a Super Bowl and 90% of them didn't win MVP for their efforts, but Kupp gets when he had been damn near forgettable all game (5 catches for 53 yards and an incomplete pass) until the final drive.


Does anyone really believe that Cooper Kupp is better than Tyreek Hill, Stefon Diggs, or Devonte Adams? All three of them were better than Kupp before his big season, and they're still better than Kupp after his big season. But Kupp is the one who gets all the media attention and awards.

Cause he white.

The end.

 

[BlueHeffner]

The main reason I'm salty

Be a hater brehs

 

[BlueHeffner]

Kupp >>> Adams

Hell Na

 

[Brozay]

can someone bring this "system" to Chicago?

 

[BlueHeffner]

Kevin O’Connell is the real mastermind


2021 Cooper Kupp
191 targets
145 Receptions
1947 yards
16 TDs

OPOY

2022 Justin Jefferson
184 targets
128 Receptions
1809 yards
8 Tds

OPOY


Give Kupp his credit

 

[Professor Emeritus]

Kevin O’Connell is the real mastermind


2021 Cooper Kupp
191 targets
145 Receptions
1947 yards
16 TDs

OPOY

2022 Justin Jefferson
184 targets
128 Receptions
1809 yards
8 Tds

OPOY


Give Kupp his credit

That's a fantastic contribution, cause you're showing WRs can fukking eat in a Kevin O'Connell offense.


But before, others said the same about McVay:

Look at Robert Woods' stats, his production on the Rams was basically double what he did on other teams.

McVay scheme is a cheat code for wideouts. He consistently gives them 1 on 1 matchups and lots of space to run over the middle.

McVay was getting his homeys gigs before he won a SB. Goff was considered a bust before he arrived. Stafford never won N E thing post HS, despite having talent and opportunities, before going to LA. Homey saved Baker's career. I have been one his biggest skeptics but McVay got the goods when it comes to offense.

You can plug in about 30 wrs in the NFL right now who could get 1000 yards in a McVay offense.

Brandin Cooks was eating before Kupp

And before that, others said the same about Stafford:

stafford spams any WR he has a connection with i think is the bigger story.

It's not really a system, it's just the byproduct of having stafford as your QB. He only sees one guy. It's actually insane that he's had such a long career playing like this. Roethlisberger did it a little but not to this extreme.

Don't get me wrong, you have to be good to do with puka/kupp did with stafford but I can't say in good faith that they'd do this on other teams.

Stafford from kickoff til the very last whistle is forcing it to 1 receiver basically. This is getting to be historically unique to stafford.



No other QB has and probably will ever have this kind of graphic

You can see Stafford locked in to just one WR as soon as the ball is snapped. If he's not throwing in three seconds, he'll start to run around and look elsewhere.

Be more specific. It’s not system, it’s QB. Stafford gon pepper tf out of his #1 WR

Force isn't the right word. Stafford is elite at throwing guys open and hitting bigger receivers in spaces where only they can get the ball. It's why when everyone said he'd fall off after Megatron retired he got even better with Marvin Jones and Golden Tate. It's how he got Kenny Golladay paid. If Stafford has chemistry with you, you're gonna eat.

Stafford makes WR look better than they are. Golladay got paid. Marvin Jones has way better production than his talent would indicate. Stafford not afraid to make any throw. He’ll force you open. Kupp and Puka are great. But their not dynamic like a Jefferson or Lamb who murdered the lions last few weeks

Question needs to be centered around Stafford. Did it w/ Megatron then Kupp and now Puka. He’s got the numbers and a Super Bowl. Conversation should really be about him

Stafford is underrated and right under that elite category.

He's playing with the ultimate spam gawd in Stafford.

If Stafford was the cowboys QB Ceedee might would fukk around and get 200 catches

It's almost as if Sean McVay, Kevin O'Connell, and Stafford were the perfect combo for a WR to eat.

 

[BlueHeffner]

That's a fantastic contribution, cause you're showing WRs can fukking eat in a Kevin O'Connell offense.


But before, others said the same about McVay:









And before that, others said the same about Stafford:






















It's almost as if Sean McVay, Kevin O'Connell, and Stafford were the perfect combo for a WR to eat.

But why he is he outperforming one of, if not the most, talented WRs in the league in that same “system”?

 

[bigde09]

That's a fantastic contribution, cause you're showing WRs can fukking eat in a Kevin O'Connell offense.


But before, others said the same about McVay:









And before that, others said the same about Stafford:






















It's almost as if Sean McVay, Kevin O'Connell, and Stafford were the perfect combo for a WR to eat.

You’re talking about the NFL like it’s the NBA

 

[KidJSoul]

What really is a system WR? Are you implying Puka couldn’t do this with other teams? Well no shyt, he wouldn’t have this success with Arthur Smith and Ridder. That applies to damn near all WRs. Put CeeDee Lamb on the Patriots and he might not hit 1K yards. Put Garrett Wilson on the Dolphins and he’s probably getting 1700 yards.

I feel like we are just throwing terms around now. WRs still have to be able to run sound routes, have great hands, and make tons of plays to do what Puka did. Can’t diminish that and say it’s just the system or because Stafford targets him. Staff targets him because he trusts him to get open and make plays.

The gap between most of the good WRs isn’t huge. Even Tyreek Hill said system matters for ALL WRs. He said there are about 15 guys or more in the league who could be top 5 if they were put in the right system to utilize them correctly. It’s not a bad thing.

System talk is the worst thing to come out of football fans

90% of the time it's just used to denigrate players they are salty about

 

[Professor Emeritus]

But why he is he outperforming one of, if not the most, talented WRs in the league in that same “system”?

They weren't the same "system". The only thing in common was the OC, otherwise you're talking literally every other piece being different. And yet they both had similarly ridiculous stat seasons, Kupp's stats were only slightly better.

On the other hand, Kupp's 2021 stats were FAR better than any of his previous years, by over 50 catches, including in his previous year in O'Connell's system. So why'd he so completely outperform himself in the same "system"?

WRs consistently put up sick stats under McVay.
WRs consistently put up sick stats under O'Connell.
WRs consistently put up sick stats with Stafford.

Kupp got all three of those in one year, and in that single year he put up wild numbers. Otherwise, he'd never even made a Pro Bowl.

 

[BlueHeffner]

They weren't the same "system". The only thing in common was the OC, otherwise you're talking literally every other piece being different. And yet they both had similarly ridiculous stat seasons, Kupp's stats were only slightly better.

On the other hand, Kupp's 2021 stats were FAR better than any of his previous years, by over 50 catches, including in his previous year in O'Connell's system. So why'd he so completely outperform himself in the same "system"?

WRs consistently put up sick stats under McVay.
WRs consistently put up sick stats under O'Connell.
WRs consistently put up sick stats with Stafford.

Kupp got all three of those in one year, and in that single year he put up wild numbers. Otherwise, he'd never even made a Pro Bowl.

 

[Professor Emeritus]

Yes, slightly better. Playing for a difference coach, different QB, different teammates, he averaged 1 more catch and 8 more yards per game. That's slightly better, not nearly enough to claim he's the better receiver considering all the other differences. Contrary to casual beliefs, the TD stat isn't a dependable meaaure for how good a WR is performing: they have way more to do with the positions your offense is putting you in and random variance.

Look at Jerry Rice's numbers during the 5 seasons he played as the #1 with Joe Montana:

Receptions:

86
65 (just 12 games, factors out to 87)
64
82
100

Other than the 3rd season there's hardly any variance, and even the 3rd season is only 1 fewer catch a game than the 4th season.


Receiving yards:

1570
1078 (just 12 games, factors out to 1437)
1306
1483
1502

With yards there's virtually no variance at all. In fact, that 3rd season he averaged over 20 yards/catch, the best # of his entire career.


Receiving TDs:

15
22 (just 12 games, factors out to 29)
9
17
13

If you went by TD's, then suddenly Rice's 2nd season as a starter he was twice the player as he was any other season, and his 3rd season was just horrible.

Do you really think Rice's abilities changed dramatically from year to year? After 1990 when Steve Young game in, Rice had 5 more years with over 90 catches including a high of 122, had 3 years with over 1500 yards including a high of 1848, but never once finished a season with more than 15 touchdowns.

Do you think Rice peaked in his 2nd season?