Detroit files for Chapter 9 bankruptcy amid staggering debts

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Well, I also miss some of the black events and festivals that they are slowly taking away because some of those were cultural. Pretty soon we will have no Afro Caribbean, African, even the Jazz festival and other food ones won't be the same. I'm not gonna pretend like the fireworks wasn't good without all the ******ishness though.

The only good thing is that these new young mid town whites aren't focused on that race shyt as much as the average white person. They worry about festival shyt, hipster bars, riding bicycles n shyt.

I don't think it will kill the small businesses and local entrepreneurship... the business side is one of the main entities pushing the gov and others to go bankrupt, move the project blacks far away from downtown, and to reshape the identity of Detroit. If there was ever a time to set up shop, it's right now.

I hate everything about 8 mile.. on one side you see everything wrong w black america and you have the deadliest neighborhoods in America, on the other side you have whites who hate black people more than whites in Mississippi and who blame blacks for the overall failing economy of MI. Plus the eastpointe and other east sub police target black people like it's the 30's.

how do you think the freedom place apts fit into all this shyt? ? its right across the street from wayne and ghetto as fukk, lol, it seems weird for them to leave that there. I guess it's just too many blacks to move at once.

Southfield has to be at least 70-75% black now, with even Bloomfield getting integrated the border is slowly being erased.

I've always thought the sinister plan was to force blacks out of the city with the whites then moving back in, like urban sprawl in reverse.

that's why i've always encouraged my folks to try and stay in the city, as the benefits will soon come.East side born and raised right here.
 

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How you got those certs, yet don't know shyt :heh:

- Detroit is within 4 hours or less from Toronto; Cleveland, and Chicago.
- Whole Foods franchise was recently opened in Detroit(why would a "shythole" get a Whole Foods, and it's the first in the city)
- Dan Gilbert(owner of Quicken Loans) bought up alot of property there.
- The owner of the Tigers and Little Caesar's is trying to get a $600+ mil sports complex in a "shythole" city
I wouldn't even encourage my worst enemy to invest in Detroit. but that's just me
 

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It's funny how the media is showing the worse parts of the city... but the best people in business and real estate are investing heavily in the city. Obviously, they are investing for a reason.
 

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Article was trash. Should've already known before I clicked a link to reason.com Detroit's gone background because of regulations on tire companies and zoning restrictions? :childplease: fukk outta here.

David Sirota's opinion

Don’t buy the right-wing myth about Detroit - Salon.com

In the wake of Detroit’s bankruptcy, you may be wondering: How could anyone be surprised that a city so tied to manufacturing faces crippling problems in an era that has seen such an intense public policy assault on domestic American manufacturing? You may also be wondering: How could Michigan officials possibly talk about cutting the average $19,000-a-year pension benefit for municipal workers while reaffirming their pledge of $283 million in taxpayer money to a professional hockey stadium?

These are fair questions — and the answers to them can be found in the political mythology that distorts America’s economic policymaking.

As mythology goes, the specific story being crafted about Detroit’s bankruptcy is truly biblical — more specifically, just like the fact-free mythology around the Greek financial collapse, it is copied right from the chapter in the conservative movement’s bible about how to distort crises for maximum political effect.

In the conservative telling of this particular parable, Detroit faces a fiscal emergency because high taxes supposedly drove a mass exodus from the city, and the supposedly unbridled greed of unions forced city leaders to make fiscally irresponsible pension promises to municipal employees. Written out of the tale is any serious analysis of macroeconomic shifts, international economic policy failures, the geography of recent recessions and unsustainable corporate welfare spending.

This is classic right-wing dogma — the kind that employs selective storytelling to use a tragic event as a means to radical ends. In this case, the ends are — big shocker! — three of the conservative movement’s larger long-term economic priorities: 1) preservation of job-killing trade policies 2) immunity for corporations and 3) justification for budget policies that continue to profligately subsidize the rich.

Pretending Detroit and the NAFTA era are unrelated

The bait-and-switch on the first two objectives is fairly easy to see.
Detroit isn’t just any old city — it happens to be the biggest population center in the state hit the hardest by the right’s corporate-written trade agenda. Indeed, according to the Economic Policy Institute, the state lost more jobs than any other from NAFTA (43,600, or 1 percent of its total job base) and lost another 79,500 jobs thanks to the China PNTR deal. And that’s just two of many such trade pacts. Add to this the city’s disproportionate reliance on American auto companies which made a series of horrific business decisions, and Detroit is a microcosmic cautionary tale about what happens when large corporations are allowed to write macro economic policy and dictate the economic future of an entire city.

If told, this cautionary tale would likely spark a discussion about revising current trade deals, regulations, public investment and industrial policy in general. That is, it would spark precisely the discussion that the conservative movement and the corporations that fund politicians don’t want America to have. So the right works to make sure that discussion is short circuited by a narrative that focuses the Detroit story primarily on taxes and public pensions.

That is, of course, by design. The less Detroit prompts serious questions about trade policies and the auto industry, the less Detroit can be used as a rationale for changing those conservative, corporate-enriching policies and that industry. Likewise, the more taxes and retirement benefits can be blamed for Detroit’s downfall, the more Detroit’s tragedy can be used as a clarion call by the right to slash both.

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Focusing on pensions to protect corporate welfare and tax cuts

That brings us to how this all plays into the right’s push to enact ever more regressive tax cuts, protect endless corporate welfare and legislate new reductions in workers’ guaranteed pensions.

These latter objectives may seem unrelated, but they all complement each other when presented in the most politically opportunistic way. It’s a straightforward conservative formula: the right blames state and municipal budget problems exclusively on public employees’ retirement benefits, often underfunding those public pensions for years. The money raided from those pension funds is then used to enact expensive tax cuts and corporate welfare programs. After years of robbing those pension funds to pay for such giveaways, a crisis inevitably hits, and workers’ pension benefits are blamed — and then slashed. Meanwhile, the massive tax cuts and corporate subsidies are preserved, because we are led to believe they had nothing to do with the crisis. Ultimately, the extra monies taken from retirees are then often plowed into even more tax cuts and more corporate subsidies.

We’ve seen this trick in states all over America lately. In Rhode Island, for instance, the state underfunded its public pensions for years, while giving away $356 million in a year in corporate subsidies (including an epically embarrassing $75 million to Curt Schilling). It then converted the pension system into a Wall Street boondoggle), all while preserving the subsidies.

Similarly, in Kentucky, the state raided its public pension funds to finance $1.4 billion a year in tax subsidies, and then when the crisis hit, lawmakers there slashed pension benefits — not the corporate subsidies.

The list of states and cities following this path goes on — but you get the point. In the conservative narrative about budgets in general, the focus is on the aggregate annual $333 million worth of state and local pension shortfalls — and left out of the story is the fact that, according to the New York Times, “states, counties and cities are giving up more than $80 billion each year to companies” in the form of tax loopholes and subsidies.”

The mythology around Detroit, then, is just another version of this propaganda.

So, for instance, from the administration of right-wing Gov. Rick Snyder, we are hearing a lot of carping about the $3.5 billion in pension obligations that are part of the city’s overall $18 billion in debt. The focus leads casual onlookers to believe that — even though they on average get a pension of just $19,000 a year — municipal workers’ supposed greed single-handedly bankrupted the city. What we aren’t hearing about, though, is the city and state’s long history of underfunding its pensions, and using the raided money to spend billions of dollars on corporate welfare.

For a good sense of some of the most expensive, absurd and utterly wasteful boondoggles in the Detroit area over the last few decades, read this piece from Crain’s Detroit or see this 2011 article entitled “Detroit’s Corporate Welfare Binge” by Detroit News columnist Bill Johnson. Alternately, recall this is in the heart of a region whose governments infamously spent $55 million of taxpayer money in 1975 (or a whopping $180 million in inflation-adjusted dollars) on one professional football stadium, then spent another $300 million on yet another football stadium, then sold off the original stadium for just $583,000. Or, just note that Detroit is the largest city in a state that, according to the New York Times, spends more per capita on corporate subsidies — $672 or $6.6 billion a year — than most other states.

By focusing the blame for Detroit’s bankruptcy solely on workers’ pensions, rather than having a more comprehensive discussion that includes both pension benefits and corporate giveaways, the right can engineer the political environment for the truly immoral reality mentioned at the beginning of this article — the one highlighted this week by the Associated Press story headlined “Arena Likely Still On Track, Business As Usual For Sports Teams Despite Bankruptcy Filing.” Yes, that’s correct: at the same time government officials are talking about slashing the meager $19,000-a-year pensions of workers who don’t get Social Security, those officials are promising that they will still go forward with a plan to spend a whopping $283 million of taxpayer money on a new stadium for the Red Wings.

Notably, a political environment that encourages these kind of immoral decisions is beneficial not merely to the corporate interests who directly benefit from such giveaways, but also to the Wall Street investors who still own the outstanding bonds that financed some of the subsidies. Taken together, then, a skewed discussion about budget shortfalls that excludes scrutiny of these subsidies and focuses only on worker pensions predictably ends up prioritizing the financial interests of corporate welfare recipients and Wall Street bondholders over municipal retirees.

It’s the same dynamic on taxes. From the right, Detroit is being cited in the discussion about budget shortfalls as proof of the need for austerity. Yet, we aren’t hearing much about why in the face of such shortfalls Snyder just devoted $1.7 billion to a new corporate tax cut that will likely exacerbate the state’s deficit, nor are we hearing much about why state law compelled Detroit to forfeit other desperately needed tax revenues. Again, the goal here is to make sure that the conversation is one that only is about cutting retirement benefits — not one that adds the prospect of progressive tax reform to the debate.

For his part, Kevyn Orr — the unelected “emergency manager” imposed on Detroit by Snyder — insists he will be evenhanded in distributing the pain of the city’s bankruptcy. But with Wall Street bondholders intensifying their push to make sure all the pain is felt by public employees, and with the right’s blame-the-workers narrative preventing any real discussion of corporate subsidies and tax policies, it’s a good bet the $19,000-a-year pensioners are going to bear a disproportionate share of the sacrifice. After all, out of all of this situation’s players — corporations that want public subsidies, bondholders, rich folk who want more tax cuts, right-wing Synder administration officials and municipal workers — the retirees earning benefits just above the poverty line have the least amount of political power.

So, as always, they probably won’t be at the negotiating table. Instead, they’ll almost certainly be where they usually are: on the menu, exactly where the conservative movement wants them.
 

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Banking On Bankruptcy: Emails Suggest Negotiations With Detroit Retirees Were Designed To Fail
By Alan Pyke on Jul 23, 2013 at 2:00 pm

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Even before one of their own was appointed emergency manager of the city, lawyers who were consulting with Michigan officials over the winter believed Detroit should move into bankruptcy proceedings that would free the city to walk away from its commitments to retirees. Emails between Kevyn Orr — now Detroit’s emergency manager but at the time an attorney for the law firm Jones Day — and his colleagues show the lawyers believed moving directly to bankruptcy would be better for the city than going through a serious negotiating process.

In one email, an assistant to Gov. Rick Snyder (R) promises to set a meeting between Orr and someone “who is not FOIAble,” suggesting an intent to evade transparency laws. In another, Jones Day lawyers suggest to Orr that elevating Detroit’s bankruptcy in national media coverage would “give you cover and options on the back end to make up for lost time there.” Orr rejected that suggestion as unhelpful. Jones Day continues to represent Detroit in the proceedings, which could take a year or longer.

The messages made public thusfar show Jones Day attorneys defining bankruptcy as inevitable in their own words.

“It seems that the ideal scenario would be that Snyder and Bing both agree that the best option is simply to go through an orderly Chapter 9 [bankruptcy],” one Jones Day attorney writes to Orr in the emails. “Appointing an Emergency Manager, whose ability to actually do anything is questionable given the looming political and legal fights, would only serve to kick the can down the wrong path and unreasonably delay any meaningful resolution of Detroit’s problems.” Defining bankruptcy as the only route to a “meaningful resolution of Detroit’s problems” casts further doubt on the intent of the negotiations that followed Orr’s appointment in March, but a spokesman for Orr called those doubts “absurd.”

The emails were released in response to a Freedom of Information Act request by Robert Davis, a local labor activist with a troubled history. Davis faces federal corruption charges over school board funds that were spent on an advertising campaign. When the charges were filed in 2012, Davis called them politically motivated and said he is innocent.

One January exchange shows Orr reluctant to take on the emergency manager job, and concerned that the law empowering Gov. Rick Snyder (R) to appoint such officials “is a clear end-around the prior initiative that was rejected by the voters in November.” One January 31, Orr wrote that the entire emergency manager system “appears to merely adopts [sic] the conditions necessary for a chapter 9 filing.”

Orr’s assessment of the emergency manager process reinforces retiree advocates’ arguments that Orr’s actions once appointed were not good-faith negotiations with city employees, but an effort to check necessary boxes prior to filing for bankruptcy. In June, when Orr issued a proposal to retirees and bondholders in lieu of declaring bankruptcy, analysts wrote that the proposal appeared designed to be unpalatable, paving the way for the bankruptcy filing. Orr and Snyder have made clear that the bankruptcy resolution will include some cuts to retiree benefits, which are about $1,600 per month for most of the city’s 21,000 pensioners. “They made me some promises, and I made them some promises,” 76-year-old retired police sergeant William Shine told the New York Times. “I kept my promises. They’re not going to keep theirs.

Some legal hurdles may prevent the city from reneging on pension promises in bankruptcy, but the outlook is uncertain.


Emails Suggest Negotiations With Detroit Retirees Were Designed To Fail


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Article was trash. Should've already known before I clicked a link to reason.com Detroit's gone background because of regulations on tire companies and zoning restrictions? :childplease: fukk outta here.

David Sirota's opinion

Don’t buy the right-wing myth about Detroit - Salon.com



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did you even read the article? the article wasnt event talking about what caused detroit to fail, it was talking about how it is (or isnt) going to recover. And it cited crony capitalism and big corporate tax breaks as one of the problems, the same problem cited in the sirota article, and it cited over regulation of small business which the sirota article does not address

the basic thrust of the article is that for Detroit to recover we should focus on small business and local entrepreneurialism, even if you disagree with some of its points, its retarded to go against the basic thrust of the article

your post is another example of liberals misguiding black people and lacking any real economic plan for black neighborhoods
 

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them city workers going through it

but people gotta realize that alot of them people did vote the same people that fukked em over in
 

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them city workers going through it

but people gotta realize that alot of them people did vote the same people that fukked em over in
Basically,

and some of the city workers suck and some of the services suck worse. I lived in East subs a few years back, I like living in the city, but there is some BS sometimes, you always have that element of ******ism when the same people get elected and sell out and still money and when a high % of the politicians are involved in scams.. Kwame isn't the only one doing time right now. NTM, cac have targeted the core city for like 10 years - we made it easy for them.
 

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Southfield has to be at least 70-75% black now, with even Bloomfield getting integrated the border is slowly being erased.

I've always thought the sinister plan was to force blacks out of the city with the whites then moving back in, like urban sprawl in reverse.

that's why i've always encouraged my folks to try and stay in the city, as the benefits will soon come.East side born and raised right here.
Southfield has to be at least 70-75% black now, with even Bloomfield getting integrated the border is slowly being erased.

I've always thought the sinister plan was to force blacks out of the city with the whites then moving back in, like urban sprawl in reverse.

that's why i've always encouraged my folks to try and stay in the city, as the benefits will soon come.East side born and raised right here.


White flight made the situation bad, black flight made the situation worse. Black folks triyin' to keep up with the joneses and shyt fukked around and fushed the city themselves.
 

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Basically,

and some of the city workers suck and some of the services suck worse. I lived in East subs a few years back, I like living in the city, but there is some BS sometimes, you always have that element of ******ism when the same people get elected and sell out and still money and when a high % of the politicians are involved in scams.. Kwame isn't the only one doing time right now. NTM, cac have targeted the core city for like 10 years - we made it easy for them.

yep you know how the city is...everybody wanna get over noboy wanna put back
White flight made the situation bad, black flight made the situation worse. Black folks triyin' to keep up with the joneses and shyt fukked around and fushed the city themselves.

everybody wanna call theyself movin to the A and to Texas some years ago :beli:

we coulda had Atlanta and Detroit as the black hotspots keepin shyt in motion

Atlanta on a whole nother level now bro :beli:
 

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now watch Detroit get flooded with un document aliens.Black people had the chance to make that city into something but watch the turn around. soon you will either see big time business all the property privatizing all the services business or a huge influx of filthy mexicans all over the city.

this happens in every major city that falls economically and makes a comeback. Big pocket business men privatize the businesses or a buch of boarder jumerps invade.
 
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While Sirota is correct that corporatism and shady accounting practices have been prevalent in cities for quite some time now, I have two issues with this article. First, even though I am anti-subsidies he does not present a total tally of whether or not projected revenue from higher taxes/less subsidies would have made a significant dent in terms of total debt. Second, he also attempts to make this into a left/right issue when there are academics/writers on the right who have not only brought up the same criticisms he brought up (with the exception of the NAFTA point) but have done so for years now.

Anyways this chart shows the obligations...
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Here is the link to the full article Editorial: How Detroit came to betray its retirees | Detroit Free Press | freep.com
 
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