"Detroit", 2017 Kathryn Bigelow film on the Detroit Riots

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This shyt sucked... Hell were y'all watching?

That hand style through out the duration of the movie gave me a fukkin headache. I understand hand held for certain scenes but for the duration of a film just doesn't work FOR ME. It makes the camera a character instead of just an objective observer.

And I ultimately felt it was pointless. No I take that back... it felt like propaganda. White power structure propaganda... "yea, you've been brutalized and murdered with impunity for a long time and it's not going to stop."
How is this white power propaganda lmaooo
 

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How is this white power propaganda lmaooo
The way the movie was done I can see his point. Do I think it was intentional? No, but I could be wrong.

Looking at white men terrorize, dominate and kill black people and then have them smiling, walking free at the end is some dog whistle, wink to Zimmerman stuff.

The only black guy who "won" just so happened to be a subservient security guard. At the end, the cop tells him "you're a stand up guy" or something like that. Once again, could be taken as "you want to be on the winning team? Be on our side."

The white cop rescuing the singer? White hero propaganda. There are a lot of other examples.
 

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The way the movie was done I can see his point. Do I think it was intentional? No, but I could be wrong.

Looking at white men terrorize, dominate and kill black people and then have them smiling, walking free at the end is some dog whistle, wink to Zimmerman stuff.

The only black guy who "won" just so happened to be a subservient security guard. At the end, the cop tells him "you're a stand up guy" or something like that. Once again, could be taken as "you want to be on the winning team? Be on our side."

The white cop rescuing the singer? White hero propaganda. There are a lot of other examples.
Uh yeah it's supposed to have obvious parallels to shyt that is still happening today, showing that not a lot has changed in terms of police brutality against blacks. Unless you're a racist sociopath no one enjoyed the hotel scenes, it was brutal.
 

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I already stated it... its programming. Drilling home the fact that 50 years ago, up to present day, black people get killed with impunity. Things have not changed.

How is it not?
Showing that it hasn't changed is supposed to inspire change and make people realize that fact... Are you really saying Kathryn Bigelow made this as white propaganda?
 

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Showing that it hasn't changed is supposed to inspire change and make people realize that fact... Are you really saying Kathryn Bigelow made this as white propaganda?
There's nothing inspiring, directly or indirectly, that came from the movie imo

I don't think she did it on purpose, but she didn't know how to approach it with the correct mind frame. No matter how well done it is, it's just a black horror film.
 

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Showing that it hasn't changed is supposed to inspire change and make people realize that fact... Are you really saying Kathryn Bigelow made this as white propaganda?

Ok...Blacks in this country have been brutalized with impunity for five centuries.
But yea this half azz movie is going to inspire change.

:stopitslime:

I don't know her.. I just know what she directed. But she's just the face, it had a white writer, producer, as was everybody else above the line.. the ep's, studio, distributor, etc...

I know enough about media to stand on my initial statement.
 

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There's nothing inspiring, directly or indirectly, that came from the movie imo

I don't think she did it on purpose, but she didn't know how to approach it with the correct mind frame. No matter how well done it is, it's just a black horror film.
Ok...Blacks in this country have been brutalized with impunity for five centuries.
But yea this half azz movie is going to inspire change.

:stopitslime:

I don't know her.. I just know what she directed. But she's just the face, it had a white writer, producer, as was everybody else above the line.. the ep's, studio, distributor, etc...

I know enough about media to stand on my initial statement.
Seeing the suffering of innocents does inspire compassion and change. This is exactly what Martin Luther King did with nonviolent protesting where he would get arrested, protestors getting sprayed by hoses, beaten, bitten by dogs, etc. It's a fukking movie I'm not saying it's going to change the world. This movie gave us a glimpse into the past to warn us about the present. I really don't see how you could possibly interpret this as white propaganda.
 

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I already stated it... its programming. Drilling home the fact that 50 years ago, up to present day, black people get killed with impunity. Things have not changed.

How is it not?
It's programming? Wtf does that even mean. Yeah no shyt it's supposed to remind us of stuff going on today and to show us we still have a lot of work to do. Are yall fukking retarded can someone normal chime in here?
 

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Don't tell me they made this a horror film...:snoop:.

Second the story is about 3 black males being killed, 7 black males being beaten and 2 white females being beaten.

If the story is 90% about this incident there really isn't going to be much discussion on black women.

Some times kats be getting offended just to be offended.

A better discussion could be why make a movie on the detriot riots that focus on this incident that involves white folks as the victims.

They could have done a story that centered around the black folks in the blind pig club that was raided which basically started the riots.

Its like the whole Mississippi Burning and how the onoy reason that story was told by hollywood was because two of the victims were white.

I shuddered just seeing you say the words "Mississippi Burning". That movie racist as fukk. Like a Hollywood White Liberal fairytale about what they think Southern White racists are like, with some Black people sprinkled in the background for decoration. It wasn't even really a racial issues movie, it was all about infighting between different White power structures.
 

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Seeing the suffering of innocents does inspire compassion and change. This is exactly what Martin Luther King did with nonviolent protesting where he would get arrested, protestors getting sprayed by hoses, beaten, bitten by dogs, etc. It's a fukking movie I'm not saying it's going to change the world. This movie gave us a glimpse into the past to warn us about the present. I really don't see how you could possibly interpret this as white propaganda.

I actually agree with you to some extent, but I couldn't take the post seriously because I read the whole thing in Blake Griffin's voice, but even more sensitive.
 

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Just saw the movie today. I thought it was great.

I've read a lot of the criticism pertaining to the movie (both here and elsewhere), and I understand where people are coming from. I think overall though, the movie does a lot to shed light on how fukked up the situation was.

Yes, some of the background and context was missing. But you can't cover everything related to the rebellion (and its background and aftermath) in two and a half hours. I thought the movie did an overall okay job contextualizing what happened.
 

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The way the movie was done I can see his point. Do I think it was intentional? No, but I could be wrong.

Looking at white men terrorize, dominate and kill black people and then have them smiling, walking free at the end is some dog whistle, wink to Zimmerman stuff.

The only black guy who "won" just so happened to be a subservient security guard. At the end, the cop tells him "you're a stand up guy" or something like that. Once again, could be taken as "you want to be on the winning team? Be on our side."

The white cop rescuing the singer? White hero propaganda. There are a lot of other examples.

It showed what happened. Would you rather they pretend the racist cops didn't walk free in the end? What would manufacturing a fictional "loss" for the cop and the white power structure have accomplished?
 
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