"DESTINY" 2014-15 Chicago Bulls Season Thread

[cornercommission2k12]

look, if jimmy shows the ability to consistently get his own offense and attack the basket and get FT's like he has in preseason and tonight, you best believe he's gonna get paid more than noah and gibson.

Okay so let somebody else pay him.

Elite offensive talents get paid that much. Jimmy is not that. Or teams who ain't got a shot in hell to land a marquee player in free agency and they cash they players out or risk losing them knowing no player is coming to they team. This is why we ended up giving chandler and deng those contracts in the 1st place cause we were once the Utah jazz. We don't have to drop that kind of bag now.

I remember guys feeling like deng was so untouchable and would be so hard to replace once he is gone, and oh surprise surprise we draft Jimmy at 30 and build another one. So I'm not convinced we can't build another deng/Jimmy up. It might not be snell but yea we can get another one. But the worst will be handing Jimmy 15 mill a year and his offense regress right after he gets his dough. Then 2 years from now we all talking trade Jimmy cause he can't hit nothing from outside anymore.

 

[cornercommission2k12]

Put Jimmy in Philly, he's still a great defender, still attacking, getting to the line a bunch, probably wouldn't have any injury issues because the coach wouldn't be playing him 40mpg.

Put him in Milwaukee and everyone is over the trio of Giannis/Parker/Butler.

His numbers we down last year because he was playing 40mpg on a fukked up toe next to Kirk and Dunleavy.

2 years ago he put up 11/5/2 on 45/47% when he started getting minutes.

It doesn't matter how much Taj and Noah makes.

Noah signed his deal 4 years ago. Taj signed his 2 years ago. Noah signed under an old CBA and Taj was a 27 year old coming off the bench. Both signed before the cap was expected to go 80M+ due to a new TV deal.

We lose Jimmy, we gain no cap space from that. We're capped out for the next few years.

We're left with a late first round pick and the MLE to replace him, while still looking for the secondary creator.

there is no way he would be on those teams, hit the open market and command 15 mill a year breh. No way.

Love Jimmy but he is not in kawhi and Klay thompson league. Not close.

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

Look I hate that we do this with our players. But lets be real here

Take Jimmy butler, out of our system and put him on say a horrible situation like say he playing for philly or milwaukee, do you think he would look like a 14-15 mill type of player? Now yall saying he should get paid more than not only taj, but Noah.

That's besides the point, because the market dictates he'll get that, which is why I find it hard to see why you can't justify giving him more than $10m.

This from a guy who all his offensive numbers were down last year and watched 2 seasons in a row vet min players come in and be more reliable offensive options than him.

Yet through all that, you still had GMs willing to give him the max.

So now you have a guy playing out his mind for a contract, and we acting like we never seen the story of a guy playing out his mind of a contract year, then regressing once they get they dough. Yea that never happens....

That's a realistic possibility, I don't think anyone is doubting that, but at the same time you have to recognize his progression and the risk ratio (which weighs in favor of paying him). If he leaves, it's back to square one - looking for a wing to partner Rose.

So again, if he plays out his mind to the point it gets us past the cavs, okay cash the man out. If we go home 2nd rd, we can't hand that kind of deal over to dude.

That dilemma in that is, regardless of the Bulls' success this season, his play could still warrant a deal north of $10m.

 

[jwinfield]

Josh McRoberts, Spencer Hawes and Shaun Livingston signed for the MLE this past summer, we're not getting someone to replace Jimmy with that

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

there is no way he would be on those teams, hit the open market and command 15 mill a year breh. No way.

Love Jimmy but he is not in kawhi and Klay thompson league. Not close.

He's very much in Kawhi's league. They're pretty much near equals as players. If you put Kawhi in Philly or Milwaukee since the jump do you really think he'd be a 15 mil a year player?

 

[jwinfield]

there is no way he would be on those teams, hit the open market and command 15 mill a year breh. No way.

What's changing on those teams that make that type of deal impossible?

Dude played hurt all last year, shot like shyt and still had GMs talking about giving him the max.

 

[Rice N Beans]

I just think him being "a few million apart" from 11 is kind of nuts. I'd like for him to stay of course but are we willing to match max money? I was hoping he'd stick around...

 

[cornercommission2k12]

What's changing on those teams that make that type of deal impossible?

Dude played hurt all last year, shot like shyt and still had GMs talking about giving him the max.

No, but he played a huge role in delivering the spurs a title. So you cash him out

Which was my point in the 1st place. If kawhi not a finals mvp you think he commands 15 mill per? If the spurs go home in the 2nd rd you think he commands that? Which was my point for jimmy. He gets us to a title cash him out. If not, 10 mill.

 

[cornercommission2k12]

What's changing on those teams that make that type of deal impossible?

Dude played hurt all last year, shot like shyt and still had GMs talking about giving him the max.

We don't know what GM's said what and for all we know that "rumor" coming out could have been from Jimmy camp itself for negotiations purpose.

Deng was supposed to get max on the open market too remember? He hit the open market, got 10 mill. The kind of team Jimmy can do great on, they not giving him max. Only a utah, milwaukee, kind of team might do it. You think he going there and will look like a max player? Or do you think when he get there everybody will be calling that team dumb for dropping 15 mill for jimmy butler?

I hate killing Jimmy like this cause I think he a helluva player. But man max money? I think we going a bit much with that one

 

[Perfectson]

Why is noah steady gettin switched on the guards?

because he can guard all 5 positions

 

[Perfectson]

There were rumors of this in the offseason but if Butler keeps playing like this, bulls gon fukk around and have to match a max deal in order to keep this nikka

Gotta tighten up on the glass. nikkas been getting out worked the last couple games

exactly if he wants 12 mil, give him 12 mil. THere's no hometown discounts anymore - someone will MAX jimmy at SG/sF - just on his defense alone, if he shows some sort of perimeter offense forget about it!

 

[Perfectson]

kevin martin is as one-dimensional as it gets. and I"m not even gonna talk about him on the defensive end.

when it comes to offense, he's gonna score, and that's what he does. he's got a really quick release, so he can always get his shot off. however, while he'll get u buckets, he gives you nothing else. no steals, no rebounds, no assist, and no blocks. like he's good for 18 points 1 reb 2 ast at most on most nights.

hows that any different from MdDermmot who many people want to start of Dunleavy?

 

[Perfectson]

If jimmy gets us to the finals and even plays a huge role in us winning it, i.e what kawhi did I say give him what he wants within reason

If not i can't justify giving him more than 10 mill.

10 mil is low but the rest is true. If we don't get to the finals, it's time to reevaluate the entire team.

Jimmy gets paid less (11mil)
Noah gets traded. People keep asking why - he's basically a stretch 4/5 on defense, but does not have a stretch 4 on offense. He's over hyped because of this - and you can get a mediocre stretch 4 to fill his spot and minutes and probably will give you improved scoring with a bit less in the rebounds and blocks. We still have a problem breaking down defenses outside of our PG spots (Brooks, Rose, and HInrich this year). You get yourself a true SG borderline allstar player or high draft pick (because if we didn't make the playoffs Jimmy at SG is not working and he needs to be moved to SF).

 

[Perfectson]

Deng was supposed to get max on the open market too remember? He hit the open market, got 10 mill. The kind of team Jimmy can do great on, they not giving him max. Only a utah, milwaukee, kind of team might do it.

Deng never asked or was promised max money - at his age and with the Cavs debacle there was no one willing to pay that. He was firm at 10-12mil. Similar deal that he asked from the Bulls

Jimmy on the other hand is still htting his prime and teams will be more proned to secure his services long term. I think tht's the difference that being missed here.

 

[beenz]

exactly if he wants 12 mil, give him 12 mil. THere's no hometown discounts anymore - someone will MAX jimmy at SG/sF - just on his defense alone, if he shows some sort of perimeter offense forget about it!

Defensive players don't get Max deals. See iggy, avery Bradley, and Tony Allen.