"DESTINY" 2014-15 Chicago Bulls Season Thread

[Rice N Beans]

By personnel I mean players. Players with actual talent.

Besides Rose, this Bulls have needed to count on a 34-year-old big man who looked 'finished' in LA and a player drafted with the 30th pick - who was never meant to be any more than a role player. Thibs turned sewer water into wine. What other coaches in the league would've been given the barest essentials and then expected to turn it into success?

The standard that Thibs is held to is absolutely ridiculous. He's got the second highest win% amongst coaches, which is INSANE considering his franchise player has been injured for 60% of the time he's been coaching in Chicago and dudes EXPECT more. I mean what the fukk are all the other coaches in the league doing to escape this accountability if he's got a better record than 96% of them, all without his #1 player for the majority of his tenure in Chicago?

I'd hate to see every coaches record if they had to deal with their best player being out for most of the last three to four seasons.

Complaining about Thibs is the equivalent to complaining about Kevin Durant. I just simply don't understand it.

The only standard I'm holding Thibs to is less retarded subbing. Yes he's had the pains of buffing turds into serviceable cans but the subbing issue has been there for a long time and with a relatively healthy core going into the playoffs it still shows. It's a real GLARING issue (and even his reluctance at giving rookies burn during the season) and something I think can be fixed with a better set of glasses at the offensive assistance position.

For all that other rah-rah you spilled I'm not fishing to give you a rebuttal when you're carpeting what other people say and place it unto me. I've rode with Thibs moreso than most in here but since the guy has a good record that doesn't mean I won't try and fix his flaws.

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

The only standard I'm holding Thibs to is less retarded subbing. Yes he's had the pains of buffing turds into serviceable cans but the subbing issue has been there for a long time and with a relatively healthy core going into the playoffs it still shows. It's a real GLARING issue (and even his reluctance at giving rookies burn during the season) and something I think can be fixed with a better set of glasses at the offensive assistance position..

I hate to break it to you, but every other coach in the league has struggles with managing minutes/lineups. Clearly if he's got a better record than 29 out of 30 of them, it isn't that much of glaring issue that can be fixed by replacing him while still upholding what strengths he brings to the team.

For all that other rah-rah you spilled I'm not fishing to give you a rebuttal when you're carpeting what other people say and place it unto me. I've rode with Thibs moreso than most in here but since the guy has a good record that doesn't mean I won't try and fix his flaws.

You just have to try and live with them. There isn't a coach in the league that would've done a better job over the last four seasons with this squad.

 

[cornercommission2k12]

Some of it is thibs

Some of it IS the personnel. Which falls on gar pax.

Let's be real, we been mediocre all season. A change was needed. We didn't do shyt.

The cavs did and they guys they traded for is kicking our ass right now.

For the life of me, I don't understand leaving jimmy on lebron with those early 2 fouls and us needing his scoring. Snell has been very inconsistent on offense but 1 thing he has shown this season is his ability to play defense. We needed snell defense.

But mcdermott is a waste right now, snell can't see the floor, niko is wetting the bed, it's why I been complaining all season that we needed more veteran role players who thibs will play and who could contribute from day 1. I just thought with no love and ailing kyrie we could at least be good enough to overcome the poor defense of the cavs. But our need to add players is being exposed.

 

[Brozay]

Missing Pau turned out to be huge

 

[Brozay]

Theres obviously a middle ground here with giving Thibs shyt and the front office

Im just not sure what someone like Afflalo could really be doing for us right now, its not like Dunleavy is playing that poorly. I certainly dont think he would fix these offensive droughts we're seeing

You have players/execs/scouts talking about how bland/predictable our offense is, that aint good

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

Theres obviously a middle ground here with giving Thibs shyt and the front office

Im just not sure what someone like Afflalo could really be doing for us right now, its not like Dunleavy is playing that poorly. I certainly dont think he would fix these offensive droughts we're seeing

You have players/execs/scouts talking about how bland/predictable our offense is, that aint good

I really don't see any middle ground.

All I see is an incompetent front office where Thibs' ability of turning water into wine, has allowed them to sneak out the back door every season without the blame they deserve. To now where the person that has had this team constantly overachieve for the last four to five years (where just about every single coach in the league would've failed and been fired in under half the time) is now the one being blamed. The Bulls had the #11 offense this season - if Rose was healthy for the entire season while playing to his ability, there's a good chance they would've been in the top 5.

 

[cornercommission2k12]

Theres obviously a middle ground here with giving Thibs shyt and the front office

Im just not sure what someone like Afflalo could really be doing for us right now, its not like Dunleavy is playing that poorly. I certainly dont think he would fix these offensive droughts we're seeing

You have players/execs/scouts talking about how bland/predictable our offense is, that aint good

I'm not suggesting afflalo would be the "answer" but lets not act as if he wouldn't be a much larger contributor than 70% of our roster right now

With afflalo being a vet who been around the league the chances are greater that he would be able to pick up on thibs defense and see the floor faster than a snell niko or mcdermott. He also has the ability to get his own shot so as jimmy is concentrated on defending lebron he could serve as another scorer who I would guess it would hurt the cavs trying to hide a hobbled kyrie on. He also could switch and play defend lebron some to give jimmy a break. Dunleavy is still somewhat of a liability on the defensive end. Let's not forget all those 3s he let fly in game 2.

I don't judge what they look like in other situations. Just like shump was basically trash on the knicks now he playing great for the cavs. Sometimes it's the situation and afflalo def would have grown here. But it's not just him, we could have worked on getting a few guys who could contribute now. Right now we talking developing young guys on a team that's supposed to have championship aspirations. That makes no sense to me.

 

[GoldenGlove]

Deng was never going to stay, regardless if he was injured or not. Butler was always going to fill that void. And how is Thibs horrible at developing young players when Butler has had the largest progression out of any player in the last decade? You can't take away the responsibility that Thibs has given Butler and use a vacuous and disingenuous account of him only doing so because Deng got injured.

The Bulls have never been a rebuilding team since Thibs arrived, and the FO hasn't drafted players of any notability that would warrant being included in a squad that's ready to contend, so it's not like Thibs has been in a position to coddle rookies and grooming them when the Bulls have more or less been in win-now mode since he arrived.

And are you forgetting about the players that were added to the team that have performed to the best of their abilities or had their career's revived -

Augustin, Robinson, Brooks, Gasol etc etc.

Butler was a quite literally nobody last season - now he's the MIP in the league and one of the very few elite two-way wings in the league

Gasol was supposedly finished last season - now he just came off one of his best season's of his career and was arguably the best performing big man in the East.

Let's cut the shyt. You want to get on me for calling out Thibs and his inept offensive strategy and play calling saying I'm completely blaming him... but then going to turn around and try and say he's the reason why Jimmy turned into a beast this season offensively? Jimmy put in the work, it was his contract year, and he's made an improvement on his 1 on 1 game. He's went out all year and made plays by himself, not because of Thibs' offense. Jimmy improving his jump shot and scoring doesn't have a damn thing to do with Tom Thibodeau

Gasol played for D'antoni his last few years in LA. Plenty of people said that he wasn't finished and that it was a matter of him not fitting into his system to be used properly. lol @ revived his career. Man, please.

And the guards have always played well in Thibodeau's offense, that's one thing I can give him. But that's because the offense is built around the PG being a scoring threat, and in a lot of cases bailing out the team with the ball in his hands while the clock is winding down.

Let's talk about how Korver left Chicago and has looked much better in ATL with Bud?

You can make any fringe player's numbers look adequate by microwaving them to 36 minutes. The point is he's still a John Doe type until proven otherwise. He had a good a 10-game stretch in February and when he was given even more minutes in March when Butler went down he looked just like another player that was only in the rotation because of injuries, and wouldn't be there otherwise.

Yeah, now lets dismiss the fact that you're wrong with Snell and that I'm right. When he's played he's been fine.

What's funny is you're telling me that Snell has no business being a rotational player for this team, yet Kirk Hinrich is right now, and Kirk's PER 36 numbers and percentages are worse than Snell's. Do you care to explain why the great Tom Thibodeau is playing a fringe NBA player with below adequate numbers so much?

Then you're not looking at the larger, more detrimental problems.

Niko was only directly/indirectly responsible for letting the Cavs score two buckets that Snell would've otherwise defended on during that Cavs run where they went up 17 points. The only possession out of those two where Snell maybe would've stopped the Cavs from scoring was when Shump took Niko off the dribble and scored in the paint.

Like I said above - Niko scored 6 points (equal most with Dunleavy) over that period - replacing him with Snell wouldn't have made a difference. The Cavs went on a run making contested shot after contested shot that the Bulls offense couldn't match.

Cavs hit their shots over that stretch and the Bulls didn't. It's as simple as that. In Snell's current state, he isn't this great All-Star player that would provided more impact than what Niko had. It's not some great injustice that Snell wasn't used instead. If you analyzed every coaches' questionable lineups - Thibs' indiscretions would pale in comparison to 90%+ of the coaches in the league.

Niko was -23

He came in the game the Bulls were down 3 (they even cut it to 1 in the 3rd) and when he got out the game the Bulls were down 14.

Make sense to me why Kirk should play over Snell for these many minutes when Kirk at this point is a 'D-Leaguer' by your own standards?

Look I'm not saying that Thibs shouldn't have had the ball go through his hands during those possessions, I'm explaining to you why it didn't and you can't really fault Thibs for that. This is one of the rare times where Rose didn't have the ball late in-games.

And I explained to you why he should of touched the ball.

By your logic, Kyrie shouldn't get touches because he's banged up too right?

 

[GoldenGlove]

Right now we talking developing young guys on a team that's supposed to have championship aspirations. That makes no sense to me.

Seemed to work out alright for the Spurs

 

[Brozay]

I really don't see any middle ground.

OK, then theres no point in discussing with you

 

[Microfracture]

Missing Pau turned out to be huge

His finishing around the basket and his midrange would've helped last night. On the other hand, I think he needs to be 100% healthy to be effective

 

[Brozay]

His finishing around the basket and his midrange would've helped last night. On the other hand, I think he needs to be 100% healthy to be effective

Yeah, hes at the point in his career where if he cant go 100%, he might be hurting you.

He needs to give it a go tomorrow though regardless, if its not clicking, just simply hit the bench, but hes gotta give it a try. Worked out pretty well for Chris Paul

 

[GoldenGlove]

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[HNIC973]

still pissed can we have 1 game where everybody is clicking

 

[Brozay]

Just gotta hope for a convincing win tomorrow and then its all bets off Sunday

Silver linings from yesterday, we proved we can hang with them even when Bron has a monster game, and Kyrie is clicking

Hell, even their role players played well

What we saw yesterday is CLE at their peak, and we hung in there

Need the bench to produce, and role players to contribute

Hopefully DRose aint too banged up