"DESTINY" 2014-15 Chicago Bulls Season Thread

Brozay

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Waddle seemingly always plays devil's advocate and defends Thibs

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I haven't listened to sports radio in a while really, but I'm pretty sure Silvy is doing the questioning and Waddle is simply defending Thibs through and through.
I dont usually listen but I have been throughout the playoffs because Im an addict lol

W&S is just casual sports talke shyt for 4 hours, and they'll give dumb callers the time of day. At least B&B will shut those idiots down and move on

Neither of W&S really take any sides from what I hear and they dont break down the games well
 
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Let's cut the shyt. You want to get on me for calling out Thibs and his inept offensive strategy and play calling saying I'm completely blaming him... but then going to turn around and try and say he's the reason why Jimmy turned into a beast this season offensively? Jimmy put in the work, it was his contract year, and he's made an improvement on his 1 on 1 game. He's went out all year and made plays by himself, not because of Thibs' offense. Jimmy improving his jump shot and scoring doesn't have a damn thing to do with Tom Thibodeau
Of course Jimmy is most responsible for his offensive improvement, just like every other single player that has every played in the league. But you can't look at player progression like that in a vacuum - all the good habits that Thibs' system/environment instills in players and the incentives they're given to earn a spot (not rewarding or allowing players to get away with subpar play) has gone a long way to helping Butler improve his game.

Jimmy is a hardworking dude off the jump, but would he be the player he is now if he done came up with a coach and system that played him 30+ minutes as his rookie, while not trying to cull bad habits that not only he but every player in the team was getting away with (not moving the ball, not moving without it, fighting over possessions, more concerned with looking out for himself/padding his own stats/not looking to sacrifice for the team, missed defensive rotations, inconsistent effort, being around players that are simply out just to get theirs, lack of team unity etc etc)?

Nah.

Gasol played for D'antoni his last few years in LA. Plenty of people said that he wasn't finished and that it was a matter of him not fitting into his system to be used properly. lol @ revived his career. Man, please.
Look you don't need to tell me about Gasol. I have been defending him for the last two-three seasons. I knew he still could be a useful player if he got the fukk outta LA. It was less about not fitting into 'Antoni's system and more the fact he lost all trust in the Lakers FO after they tried to trade him numerous times. He only stayed as long as he did because of Kobe. Thibs did revive Gasol's career, because he provided a stable and winning environment that he could thrive in.
Yeah, now lets dismiss the fact that you're wrong with Snell and that I'm right. When he's played he's been fine.
Wrong? He hasn't proven shyt yet. Seriously what type of shyt is you on?

He hasn't played enough or shown enough consistently to even suggest he deserves a place in a title-contending rotation. Dude looked like a player that didn't belong in the league in the back end of the season when he got consistent minutes. If he is that type of player that you suggest he is, he certainly isn't that right now.

What's funny is you're telling me that Snell has no business being a rotational player for this team, yet Kirk Hinrich is right now, and Kirk's PER 36 numbers and percentages are worse than Snell's. Do you care to explain why the great Tom Thibodeau is playing a fringe NBA player with below adequate numbers so much?

Stop going on PER 36, you can't magically microwave a player's numbers off low minutes because they won't be the same when they have to take on more responsibility, workload, more minutes against starters, higher occurrence of their weaknesses being exposed etc etc.

And Hinrich shouldn't even be on this team. Which is mostly the FO's fault because they won't give Thibs players with talent so then he's forced to get back players that he believes are tried-and-true and that know his system - without picking up some scrub that he'll have to initiate into the team and wait for them to become acclimated in a season-long process that might not even work, sacrificing what he believes is wasted opportunity in building chemistry in a team that's trying to compete for a championship.

Most of all these problems yall have with Thibs playing the wrong lineups and player minutes are down to lack of proper personnel. You can't expect to give him materials that are not fit to build a house, and then blame him for not building a proper house.
Niko was -23

He came in the game the Bulls were down 3 (they even cut it to 1 in the 3rd) and when he got out the game the Bulls were down 14.

Make sense to me why Kirk should play over Snell for these many minutes when Kirk at this point is a 'D-Leaguer' by your own standards?

I already covered the buckets that Niko was directly/indirectly responsible for. Kirk and Snell shouldn't even be in the rotation.
And I explained to you why he should of touched the ball.

By your logic, Kyrie shouldn't get touches because he's banged up too right?
Kyrie's and Rose's situation is different but yes Kyrie shouldn't have been playing the minutes he has been and he shouldn't be out there just to be a decoy. But I can't blame Blatt too much for that; his hands are tied - Kyrie is telling him he can't/won't sit on the bench - Blatt won't sit him even when Kyrie has been a detriment to the team in the Cavs losses because he's in a position where he has to walk on egg shells in fears he might upset the balance of the team or make Brons upset.

He benches Kyrie/cuts down his touches and the Cavs lose this series - Blatt would be fired the next day.
 
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Right now we talking developing young guys on a team that's supposed to have championship aspirations. That makes no sense to me.

Seemed to work out alright for the Spurs
You see - that's the biggest problem.

The Spurs' second unit has always been built on vets/experienced players that know Pop's system and one key constant that the Bulls nor any other team in league have - Manu Ginobili.
 
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By personnel I mean players. Players with actual talent.

Besides Rose, this Bulls have needed to count on a 34-year-old big man who looked 'finished' in LA and a player drafted with the 30th pick - who was never meant to be any more than a role player. Thibs turned sewer water into wine. What other coaches in the league would've been given the barest essentials and then expected to turn it into success?

The standard that Thibs is held to is absolutely ridiculous. He's got the second highest win% amongst coaches, which is INSANE considering his franchise player has been injured for 60% of the time he's been coaching in Chicago and dudes EXPECT more. I mean what the fukk are all the other coaches in the league doing to escape this type of accountability if he's got a better record than 96% of them, all without his #1 player for the majority of his tenure in Chicago?

I'd hate to see every coaches record if they had to deal with their best player being out for most of the last three to four seasons.

Complaining about Thibs is the equivalent to complaining about Kevin Durant. I just simply don't understand it.

You understand what is going on with this franchise my good sir. The Bulls FO have been incompetent on how they have built this team the last few years, and Thibs is being used as the scapegoat even though he has kept this team competitive with all the misfortunes. They should have kept their two first round picks and drafted a center knowing the situation with Noah's knee this past off-season. They should have used the other pick to pick up a young combo guard instead of going after Mcdermott. I don't have any problems with the Gasol signing, but the FO should have also signed a vet swing-man in Affalo or Corey Brewer.
 

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You understand what is going on with this franchise my good sir. The Bulls FO have been incompetent on how they have built this team the last few years, and Thibs is being used as the scapegoat even though he has kept this team competitive with all the misfortunes. They should have kept their two first round picks and drafted a center knowing the situation with Noah's knee this past off-season. They should have used the other pick to pick up a young combo guard instead of going after Mcdermott. I don't have any problems with the Gasol signing, but the FO should have went after a vet swing-man in Affalo or Corey Brewer.
And Thibs wouldn't have played either of those rookies this season either.
 

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Will be interesting to see if this core has any more heart left ... they've been living off it since DRose's ACL tear
 
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And Thibs wouldn't have played either of those rookies this season either.

Thibs would have played that center with Noah's flaring knee issue. If that rookie center would have shown something with the games Noah missed in the regular season, then he would have been in the playoff rotation. You are right about the combo guard not getting any playing time, but imagine if we had a rookie center that could defend the paint and rebound the ball in this series like Asik did in that Miami series in 2011.
 

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Thibs would have played that center with Noah's flaring knee issue. If that rookie center would have shown something with the games Noah missed in the regular season, then he would have been in the playoff rotation. You are right about the combo guard not getting any playing time, but imagine if we had a rookie center that could defend the paint and rebound the ball in this series like Asik did in that Miami series in 2011.
Asik showed that he could rebound and defend the rim well, and he still only played 9.9mpg in that series. He got hurt in that Miami series anyway, but he hardly played prior to that.

The Bulls front office has been trash for the most part since he's been here. But it's been proven that Thibs isn't going to play rookies period. Doesn't matter how well they play, he's going to revert back to his "guys".

He's done it with Jimmy, and he's done it with all the rookies he's gotten after that.
 
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Asik showed that he could rebound and defend the rim well, and he still only played 9.9mpg in that series. He got hurt in that Miami series anyway, but he hardly played prior to that.

The Bulls front office has been trash for the most part since he's been here. But it's been proven that Thibs isn't going to play rookies period. Doesn't matter how well they play, he's going to revert back to his "guys".

He's done it with Jimmy, and he's done it with all the rookies he's gotten after that.


That is why I also mentioned in my last post that a vet swing man should have been signed along with Gasol selecting the Bulls. An Affalo, Wilson Chandler, Corey Brewer, or even Rodney Stuckey could have been huge for the Bulls.
 

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I was against trading up fo McDermott along with the fact we slept and passed up on affalo

At this point it makes lil to no difference to us goin forward ..just like all the other bone headed moves this FO has made over the past few years

This is our team goin forward ..just like this is our front office goin forward

Unfortunately this won't be our head coach goin forward
 

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We have a solid team, so I really dont want to get into this whole we should have done this, we should have done that

Its just all talk

Of course I wish we could have had Nurkic, hopefully Doug can turn into something here (Im extremely concerned about his lack of athleticism though, its GLARING)
 
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