Despair is settling in’: female suicides on rise in Taliban’s Afghanistan

[David_TheMan]

You not gonna address everything else he said about the confederacy?

Why would I .
I addressed that in the thread he ran away from

 

[23Barrettcity]

Funny wasn't a prison and there weren't this suicides before the US.

What they wont tell you is the majority of these suicides come from the little dens of soddom and gommorah the US setup where a lot of these women were prostituting and became hooked on drugs and now they don't want to act with sense anymore. They want to be western whores so bad they are killing themselves.

I'm sure the majority of men and women don't care in that country theis is western PR

Why don’t you post some evidence instead of spouting your typical bull

 

[the bossman]

Talking about reality is now defending the taliban

Wow you all are really rumsfueld and Chaney accolytes now.

This is next level trolling

Defending a culture promoting incest and forced marriages of underage girls is some wild shyt

 

[TheMailMan]

Funny wasn't a prison and there weren't this suicides before the US.

What they wont tell you is the majority of these suicides come from the little dens of soddom and gommorah the US setup where a lot of these women were prostituting and became hooked on drugs and now they don't want to act with sense anymore. They want to be western whores so bad they are killing themselves.

I'm sure the majority of men and women don't care in that country theis is western PR

Hard to fight something they never had. They got a taste of freedom from the US for 20 years and now it gets revoked in a year or 2 so I understand..not sure why u mentioned prostitution when u got girls on tv and news channels being cut off and forced back to living in hut

 

[MoshpitMazi]

I negged that clown nikka

 

[Professor Emeritus]

Our exact exchange yet you exclude the quote that your quote is replying to and nothing about that Convo string was exclusively about your 2nd paper

Means nothing if that wasn't the study I was referring to

How many different versions of this lie are you going to repeat? This was never "exclusively" about my second paper, I quoted the first paper every fukking time and you claimed I had posted nothing.

You provided nothing that stated women were committing suicide en mass.

Goddamn you're a hideously bad poster. Did you not read the very first thing I quoted?

"Women in the Taliban controlled areas surveyed by PHR almost unanimously expressed that the Taliban had made their life "much worse" (94-98%). These women reported worse physical (84% vs. 63%) and mental health (85% vs. 54%), including extremely high rates of major depression (76% vs. 28%) and suicide (16% vs. 9%), compared to women living in non-Taliban controlled areas."

lol, PHR states that, yet I provided evidence and studies that show women in the taliban controlled area support and favor Taliban.

I said this shyt wasn't happening with the taliban pre invasion. It wasn't.

And I cited clear proof that it was, which you have ignored. 76% of women were experiencing major depression before 2001 and 16% had committed suicide, both of which are insanely high numbers, and both of those issues were worse in Taliban-ruled areas than in areas free from Taliban. You've posted zero evidence to counter that.

No what you cited was clear proof of anything but a Kabul based subset of the population that is a vast minority.

You're blatantly lying. This is directly from the article:

"To this end, Physicians for Human Rights conducted two separate, population-based studies over a three-month period in 2000. In order to represent the views of Afghan women with a wide range of experiences and attitudes, PHR randomly sampled women in four separate geographic areas. PHR also sampled men in these areas. In Afghanistan, PHR sampled rural and urban households in both Taliban controlled and non-Taliban controlled areas."

"In Pakistan, PHR sampled refugees who had arrived in Pakistan within the last two years and had been exposed to Taliban policies. [16] PHR also sampled another group of refugees who had lived in Pakistan for over four years and had no exposure to Taliban policies. These refugees were in the process of being repatriated to Afghanistan. This sampling strategy was designed to enable comparisons of attitudes and experiences of iniduals in Taliban and non-Taliban controlled areas, rural and urban settings, and in refugee and non-refugee settings. The combined population size from which we sampled the four groups was 235,312."

Why did you lie and claim it was only Kabul? Did you think you could get away with it without getting caught, or is your reading comprehension really that bad?

We were talking about those exact 76% and 16% figures from the very beginning.

* First you claimed that I had posted NOTHING about large numbers of suicides, even though it was my very first quote

* Then you claimed it wasn't happening pre-invasion, even though the study was from 2000

* Then you claimed it was only Kabul, even though it was explicitly urban and rural both from multiple regions

* Now you're claiming that you were talking about a different paper? So, what, you can just ignore any other paper if it proves you wrong?


You're such an ignorant poster.

 

[Professor Emeritus]

You not gonna address everything else he said about the confederacy?

Why would I .
I addressed that in the thread he ran away from

Ran away from what? You couldn't defend yourself for shyt.



David_TheMan caping for Confederates, said they weren't bad cause "only" 32% of households owned slaves.

Factually the majority of the south werent slaveholders.

68% of households didn't own slaves.
32% is an extremely small percentage.

32% is really just the households.
If you look at it by population it was less than 10% of the total population in the south that even owned slaves.

Either way the whole mythbusting aspect is ruined when they can't refute the fact that the majority of the south did not own slaves, and try to talk about the attitude of white supremacy of the south in its place.

32% of households doesn't refute the fact that a majority of the south didn't own slaves by the way.

David_TheMan using the "But black people were Confederates too!" deflection to defend white slaveowners.

Yes, There Were Black Confederates. Here’s Why

African American Involvement in the Confederate Army | Ford's Theatre

David_TheMan said it was wrong to fire a cop for flying the Confederate Flag because honoring the Confederacy isn't a big deal:

Department is going to get sued and this woman is about to get paid. Can't penalize people for political speech.

Police typically have certain morality clauses, which flying a flag like the confederate flag would be hard to be applied to.n

on top of that raising a confederate flag can't directly be tied to being a white supermacy or racist group.

there is a total breach of rights here, most likely gonna get them on a violation of 1st amendment, since this is the state and not a private business. the worker has a right to express political opinion without being punished by the state with regard to being removed from their profession. Department overreached and now its going to cost the citizens of the town tax dollars

No it isn't anything close to treason.

David_TheMan says that it's silly to hate the Confederate flag and thinks she's a great cop.

As a black man, this hate for the confederate flag is absurd to me

For a black man there isn't any real difference between the confederate flag or the us flag if you want to be real

I dont believe in the lost cause, even though I do believe the civil war had nothing to do with fighting against slavery.

This is purely her having a confederate flag in her yard and being fired by her local government agency, and they are going to have very real 1st amendment problems upholding the firing.

Article I read said her record is full of commendations.

David_TheMan capes for anti-Black terrorist John Wilkes Booth, repeats made-up Southern narratives about Lincoln, and quotes a famous neoConfederate Tom DiLorenzo (whose books he owns) to support his argument

How did Lincoln get shot for slavery when he was shot after the war? He was shot because he was a crooked politician hated by northerns and southerners.

Like I said Lincoln wasn't killed because of black citizenship. 13th and 15th addressed those questions. At his death Lincoln was actually one of the most hated presidents in US history.

I'm sorry about the links I posted about how much they hated him during his life, but I have a book The Real Lincoln by Tom DiLorenzo that goes more into the actual goings on at the time regarding the hate that Lincoln had even post death. Such as US military sentencing members who spoke out about how much they hated him to death and etc.

I don't care who Tom is associated with.
If I said I was supporting a new confederacy, if I said I admired the confederates, you might have a point, but you don't.

You are right, I got into a convo about Dilorenzo at another site, when I didn't know.Yeah looking back nothing to apologize for in our conversation on this site.

Yep I apologized for the only thing I needed to, and then had info that supported what I said, so think this alone shows that you lied when you claimed my links refuted what I said, they didn't.
And again thanks for reminding me our convo was not the one I was thinking about, I had no reason to apologize about DiLorenzo in my convo with you.

He blatantly relies on racist white Southeners to tell him what to believe about history.

 

[inndaskKy]

To be fair: the US has a much bigger suicide problem than Afghanistan and it affects men in the US much more than it does women. But the article is written as if Afganistan's problem represents a problem typical of an undeveloped country with backward ideas that is unprecedented in developed countries.

The US is at genocide proportions: 800,000+ deaths in 20 years, with a lot more males dying than females (78.7%). In contrast: the war in Afghanistan in 20 years had "only" 2402 US military casualties in the same period.
Suicide in the US - Wiki
Military casualties Afghanistan war

I noticed the article doesn't really quantify the situation in Afghanistan. But it does say:

Taliban authorities have not published data on suicides and have barred health workers from sharing up-to-date statistics in multiple provinces, medics say. Health workers agreed to privately share figures for the year from August 2021 to August 2022 to highlight an urgent public health crisis. The data suggests Afghanistan has become one of very few countries worldwide where more women than men die by suicide.

UN officials and human rights activists have raised the alarm about the sharp increase in the number of women attempting to take their own lives. They have explicitly linked it to Taliban restrictions on every aspect of women’s existence, from a ban on education above elementary level and a prohibition on most work, to a bar on entering parks, bathhouses and other public spaces.

"Afghanistan is in the midst of a mental health crisis precipitated by a women’s rights crisis,” said Alison Davidian, the country representative for UN Women. “We are witnessing a moment where growing numbers of women and girls see death as preferable to living under the current circumstances.”

Bleak figures​

Globally, more than twice as many men die by suicide as women, World Health Organization (WHO) data shows. In Afghanistan, until 2019, the last year for which official figures are available, more men than women took their own lives.

The figures from healthcare providers show that out of 11 provinces surveyed, in only one did men account for the majority of suicide deaths and attempts.

“The mechanism to respond to domestic violence is totally eradicated; women have no choice but to bear the violence or kill themselves,” said Akbar.

The article tries to frame it as if more men dying from suicide than women is the natural state of affairs and having it reversed is a sign of a backward country. But actually, as the situation in Afghanistan makes very clear, there is nothing natural about that fact and on a whole, men are the victims of an extremely backward ideology in which the economy and other social institutions isolates them much more than women.

Yet this ongoing epidemic of genocidal proportions is not linked to a condemnation of that ideology. Women are still framed as the victims, as if the Afghanistan situation proves that women still are at a disadvantage compared to men when the numbers clearly point to the opposite being true on a global scale.

They buried the lead with this story.

 

[Eternally Jaded]

This is next level trolling

Defending a culture promoting incest and forced marriages of underage girls is some wild shyt

I wonder how these people live, when I come across them online.

Do they have full fridges? Pantries?

Family members who love them? Social circles?

Or is it just, misery online and misery irl that feeds into each other?

 

[HollywoodP]

Afghanistan is bad enough being a human living there. Even when the Taliban was in less parts of it...there is no opportunity for money and a decent life. Constant shellings. Women there are living in a lawless...moral-less society where the men can't even live normal. Women are barely seen as humans there. It has to be one of the worst places and situations one could find themself being born into.

 

[Pirius Black]

You got a poster claiming a western backed Sodom and Gomorrah when these guys get little boys hooked on dope, traffic them, and fukk them.

 

[Dafunkdoc_Unlimited]

You gotta be a truly disingenuous and laughably contrarian individual to be an American/Westerner and defend the Taliban in any way, shape, or form.

Either that, or you are a member of the Taliban masquerading online as an American/Westerner.​

 

[Contrefaire]

This is next level trolling

Defending a culture promoting incest and forced marriages of underage girls is some wild shyt

I guarantee he's either a Middle Eastern goatfukker or a fundamentalist cac who's an ardent supporter of the American Taliban.

 

[Contrefaire]

You got a poster claiming a western backed Sodom and Gomorrah when these guys get little boys hooked on dope, traffic them, and fukk them.

I was waiting til someone brought up THAT part of "their culture".

 

[dtownreppin214]

Breh theguardian is a media arm of the UK state/mic. This is most likely fake news.