Derek Fisher on the 90s/2000s NBA vs current NBA. Is he right, or is he another Retired player hating?

[Kunty McPhuck]

Rule changes didn't limit the "gritty hard nose defensive tactical battle" at all. Pistons, Spurs, Pacers were all putting forth absolutely suffocating tactical defensive teams after the initial rule changes, far better than anything that existed in the 1990s. I would argue that defensive tactical battles continued to only get better until peaking with the Bulls/Pacers/Heat/Pacers/Spurs etc in the early 2010s. The reason they faded wasn't rule changes, it was the impossibility of guarding teams with that intensity when they have 4-5 three-point shooters on the court at all times along with the epidemic of injuries that hit.

Officials in every era have tried to change the rules to keep the game from stagnating (widening the key in the 1960s, adding the 3pt shot in the 1970s, adding 5-second rule and shortening the 3pt line in the 1990s, adding the zone in the early 2000s), but the changes of the last 20 years have been comparatively minor in both execution and impact.

Scoring is up in all sports from what it was 20-25 years ago. Of course there are still defensive tactical battles never said they died with the rules changes. The attack evolves first to counter the defensive side of things and then the defence eventually catches up. And the game of cat and mouse continues. But the rules favour higher scoring which makes for a more entertaining product for the casual fan/viewer. These governing bodies don't care about the hardcore fan as they know rain or shine they will be there no matter what. But they don't bring in the money.

 

[Professor Emeritus]

Scoring is up in all sports from what it was 20-25 years ago. Of course there are still defensive tactical battles never said they died with the rules changes. The attack evolves first to counter the defensive side of things and then the defence eventually catches up. And the game of cat and mouse continues. But the rules favour higher scoring which makes for a more entertaining product for the casual fan/viewer. These governing bodies don't care about the hardcore fan as they know rain or shine they will be there no matter what. But they don't bring in the money.

Scoring is up because analytics has made teams better at exploiting the field/court than ever before. A modern team running a spread option offense against 1990s NFL defenses or a 5-out three-point attack against 1990s NBA defenses would fukking destroy them no matter which era's rules they used.

None of that has anything to do with the false dichotomy Fisher made between "entertainment" and "competitiveness", or his suggestion that modern basketball is less competitive.

 

[Roger king]

We have a meaningless LGBT Mid-Season Tourney now, he right

What does this even mean? What does that have to correlate with the level of competition, athleticism and skill level of the players in the nba to the one in the 90s, this has nothing to do with it, if anything it shows its even tougher because the in season games

 

[VegetasHairline]

You're a disingenuous dude gotdam

Everyone reading this thread can see the bullshyt you're putting on besides you're fellow Bron butt buddy @Roger king. This dude negged me for calling out your bullshyt

He used "imbecile" in the neg message too I bet!

 

[No1]

He's not a bitter a$$hole and he knows how to talk to people. If you notice, its mostly the greats or dudes with delusions of being great with the hate. Because they are used to being the man (or thought they were), mad because they aint no more (or really never were). And since they always been the shyt they never developed perspective or social skills. Nobody ever told them "you on some bullshyt chill out". Dudes that werent stars all their life and/or super talented tend to have to learn how to talk to folks.

It’s guys that never expected to be remembered versus guys who want to be talked about forever.

 

[Boonapalist]

He used "imbecile" in the neg message too I bet!

He told me to “stop chatting nonsense”
Hey @Roger king you’re still a dikk eater now go ahead and neg me again

 

[KnickstapeCity]

Fukk that bald fakkit




He sure made the Knicks competitive when he was coaching

 

[Trojan 24]

What does this even mean? What does that have to correlate with the level of competition, athleticism and skill level of the players in the nba to the one in the 90s, this has nothing to do with it, if anything it shows its even tougher because the in season games

Being geared more towards entertainment doesn't mean the league isn't more competitive, athletic or skilled. But move along, we all know why you're in here

 

[HandyWithTheSteel]

Was game 6 of the 2002 WCF meant for entertainment value or competive value, you bald fakkit?

These dudes just give us endless material.

We Done With the ‘90s part II: The 2000s is on its way.

Sequel bout to better than the original.

 

[The_Dread_Dormammu]

He used "imbecile" in the neg message too I bet!

He got you with that too?

 

[Kunty McPhuck]

Scoring is up because analytics has made teams better at exploiting the field/court than ever before. A modern team running a spread option offense against 1990s NFL defenses or a 5-out three-point attack against 1990s NBA defenses would fukking destroy them no matter which era's rules they used.

None of that has anything to do with the false dichotomy Fisher made between "entertainment" and "competitiveness", or his suggestion that modern basketball is less competitive.

We want to make it a more free-flowing, fluid, wide-open game,” said Rod Thorn, NBA’s vice president of basketball operations. ~ Sept 1999.

Isn't that what the game is now?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/sports/1999/09/25/new-nba-rules-aim-to-put-points-on-board/5c6698c6-c34e-4be8-8c02-f5a3953ff08c/

 

[VegetasHairline]

He got you with that too?

Yup. He's lame and predictable.

 

[The_Dread_Dormammu]

Yup. He's lame and predictable.

His next thread gonna be “how good was Tracy McGrady”… to try to downplay Kobe to prop up his boy… he ain’t slick.

 

[VegetasHairline]

His next thread gonna be “how good was Tracy McGrady”… to try to downplay Kobe to prop up his boy… he ain’t slick.

He doesn't even watch games.

 

[Professor Emeritus]

We want to make it a more free-flowing, fluid, wide-open game,” said Rod Thorn, NBA’s vice president of basketball operations. ~ Sept 1999.

Isn't that what the game is now?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/sports/1999/09/25/new-nba-rules-aim-to-put-points-on-board/5c6698c6-c34e-4be8-8c02-f5a3953ff08c/

Rod Thorn served in that role from 1986-2000, the exact era that Derek Fisher is claiming had a "different" focus.

So you're using a quote focusing on entertainment in the 1990s to prove why basketball wasn't focused on entertainment in the 1990s.



Like I already said, the NBA has always changed the rules to try to make a more entertaining game. That's why they added the 24 second clock, that's why they expanded the key, that's why they added the 3pt line, that's why they strengthened the flagrant foul rules, that's why they added the 5-second rule, that's why they instituted illegal defense, that's why they shortened the 3pt line, and that's why they added the zone. The rules focus has been on entertainment in every era, because the NBA is fundamentally an entertainment product. That's how they make their money.

But the rules can only do so much. Even after the rules changes of the early 2000s, the mid 2000s and late 2000s teams were still clamping down teams defensively. It was analytics and the 4-out and 5-out lineups where everyone could shoot threes that opened up the game more than anything else. That kind of talent and mentality would open up the game in ANY era, no matter what the rules.